Drops everywhere.

[Muzzy7]

If 2K made the game more balanced, we wouldn't have thee problems

[RainingAmoeba79]

If 2K made the game more balanced, we wouldn't have thee problems

they cant stop ppl from using dropshots

[KamikazeeJeeper]

Can someone explain to me what makes the use of alot of drop volleys cheesy. I recieved hate messages from two people in this thread after a couple of recent WT matches saying that I'm a cheeser for using drop volleys "EVERY SINGLE SHOT"!

First of all, that's not true, my volley breakdown for an average match is probably 10% power/standard - 40% control - 50% drop volley. My general volleying strategy is to alternate drop volleys and deep control volleys in an effort to keep my opponent on the run. I only use power volleys when it's absolutely clear that I will be able to hit down on the ball (for those of you who haven't volleyed much, it's not always clear exactly how your character is gonna take the ball). But that's besides the point of my question. What exactly is wrong with using alot of drop volleys?

Are they overpowered? Imo, no. In fact, compared to real life, they're underpowered. IRL, a good drop volley is almost always a winner, in TS4 a 'perfect' drop volley is rarely a winner. In fact i would estimate that drop volleys make up less than 15% of my net point winners, while control volleys make up the bulk of my net winners.

Are they too easy to pull off? Maybe. They ARE the riskiest volley (maybe tied with power volleys). They are more likely to go out or sit up when miss-timed than control or standard volleys. IRL, you'd probably see alot more errors on drop volleys but again you would also see alot more winners.

Do they take advantage of the game mechanics? I dont think so, maybe someone can give an argument as to how exactly drop volleys take advantage of the game mechanics ... Actually that's exactly the point of this post: If you're gonna call someone a cheeser, at least give a REASON why that person's gameplay is cheesy. Don't just say "This guy uses alot of drop volley's, he's a cheeser, ban him from ITST" (lol). Otherwise what stops someone from saying "This guy uses only topspin, cheeser, die in a grease fire..." or "This guy serves wide everytime, cheeser...".

Yes I use drop volleys on virtually every single net point I play... Maybe someone can explain what exactly is wrong with that?

[Julius Jackson]

Can someone explain to me what makes the use of alot of drop volleys cheesy. I recieved hate messages from two people in this thread after a couple of recent WT matches saying that I'm a cheeser for using drop volleys "EVERY SINGLE SHOT"!

First of all, that's not true, my volley breakdown for an average match is probably 10% power/standard - 40% control - 50% drop volley. My general volleying strategy is to alternate drop volleys and deep control volleys in an effort to keep my opponent on the run. I only use power volleys when it's absolutely clear that I will be able to hit down on the ball (for those of you who haven't volleyed much, it's not always clear exactly how your character is gonna take the ball). But that's besides the point of my question. What exactly is wrong with using alot of drop volleys?

Are they overpowered? Imo, no. In fact, compared to real life, they're underpowered. IRL, a good drop volley is almost always a winner, in TS4 a 'perfect' drop volley is rarely a winner. In fact i would estimate that drop volleys make up less than 15% of my net point winners, while control volleys make up the bulk of my net winners.

Are they too easy to pull off? Maybe. They ARE the riskiest volley (maybe tied with power volleys). They are more likely to go out or sit up when miss-timed than control or standard volleys. IRL, you'd probably see alot more errors on drop volleys but again you would also see alot more winners.

Do they take advantage of the game mechanics? I dont think so, maybe someone can give an argument as to how exactly drop volleys take advantage of the game mechanics ... Actually that's exactly the point of this post: If you're gonna call someone a cheeser, at least give a REASON why that person's gameplay is cheesy. Don't just say "This guy uses alot of drop volley's, he's a cheeser, ban him from ITST" (lol). Otherwise what stops someone from saying "This guy uses only topspin, cheeser, die in a grease fire..." or "This guy serves wide everytime, cheeser...".

Yes I use drop volleys on virtually every single net point I play... Maybe someone can explain what exactly is wrong with that?

well said

[el duuderino]

c'mon jeeper, just c'mon.

it's amazing, u hit a drop volley off each and every return.

each and every return... and never missed. is that "like real life?"

[Moralspain]

-First of all, that's not true, my volley breakdown for an average match is probably 10% power/standard - 40% control - 50% drop volley.


-Yes I use drop volleys on virtually every single net point I play... Maybe someone can explain what exactly is wrong with that?

please first become clear about what you do, and then read this

http://www.intertopspintour.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15300&start=0

Answering your question, at ITST, all the efforts are aimed at trying to have a gaming experience as close as possible to what you can see on a real tennis court. I hardly think you can see a player hitting either drop volleys or drop shots in every single play of the match.

[ANILTJE]

Yes Jeeper the fact that you already stated yourself that they are too easy to pull off and you using them to that extend should answer your question.

[KamikazeeJeeper]

-First of all, that's not true, my volley breakdown for an average match is probably 10% power/standard - 40% control - 50% drop volley.


-Yes I use drop volleys on virtually every single net point I play... Maybe someone can explain what exactly is wrong with that?

please first become clear about what you do, and then read this

http://www.intertopspintour.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15300&start=0

I use drop volleys on virtually every net POINT (not hit). 50% of my net SHOTS are drop volleys. There is nothing contradictory about these statements.

About the sticky, I respect ITST's need to keep gameplay fair and free from cheap play and if I ever play an ITST match I guess I'll use mostly control volleys (if that's not deemed cheesy).

Answering your question, at ITST, all the efforts are aimed at trying to have a gaming experience as close as possible to what you can see on a real tennis court. I hardly think you can see a player hitting either drop volleys or drop shots in every single play of the match.

See this is a good argument but can we please not lump drop shots and drop volleys together. With that said, wouldn't you agree that most volleys IRL are drop volleys?

[ANILTJE]

wouldn't you agree that most volleys IRL are drop volleys?

Not really. Short volleys maybe but drops no.

[Tuurbine]

@Kamikazee

I even have you in the "avoid this player" in my xbox account, playing a mach with you is so irritating, its drop shot after drop shot after drop shot every single time, and when you serve is even worse.

[el duuderino]

i still dont think kamikazee see's that the constant use of drop volleys off of each and every kind of different return without missing is absolutely the definition of taking advantage of game mechanics. its simply completely implausible to think that someone can hit 20-30 straight drop shots without missing. and he still doesn't see it, he's even said, i "guess" i'll play the right way if i "have to"

my question is... is it fun to play this style? that's what i'm missing. topspin 4 irritates and infuriates me, but i play to have fun. and granted, u'r version of fun might be different than my idea, but i doubt ANYONE would enjoy the type of monotonous cheap gameplay with very little variation.

i mean, he stood in the middle of the court and hit either the approach shot then drop volley, or the faux approach shot, stay back, then come in and drop. i'm sure he's actually a good player, but man, constant perfect droppers are just not fun or realistic to play against.

again tho, this was NOT an ITST match, so if you wanna cheese your way to a top WT rank, be my guest

end rant... everybody wang chung

jeepers, creepers, where'd ya get that cheese...

[Julius Jackson]

this might be a case of missing the forest for the trees...

how is hitting short angle control shots every single pt any different that hitting drop shots? or drop volleys? or hitting control lobs whenever u are trailing in a pt? or hitting short angle slices? or hitting power shots to the corners over and over? none of those things are sim, guys. yet there isnt a player in ITST that doesnt do one of them. so why are we picking on drops?

maybe because drops actually make speed matter...and guess what? NO ONE has speed!!! if you have speed then drops are easily countered.

someone please outline an argument how drops are any more cheesy or unsim than any of the above mentioned tactics. id love to read it...

[GOA MASTER MDMA]

never ending story ,people allways complain what they can´t handle.
or what "themselfe think how to play "real " tennis in TS4 ,

FUNNY

but personelly at an "in moment not active TS4 player " i agree ,permanently dropshots are cheap and cheese

mean its not new that people allways use the best possible setup.
it was at beginning serve berserker , than TI MD ,now dropshots and later ......who knows

at beginning TS4 was great ,but now ........no fun anymore .


however ,as long permanently dropshots are allowed ,nothing will change.

[Indiantonike]

this might be a case of missing the forest for the trees...

how is hitting short angle control shots every single pt any different that hitting drop shots? or drop volleys? or hitting control lobs whenever u are trailing in a pt? or hitting short angle slices? or hitting power shots to the corners over and over? none of those things are sim, guys. yet there isnt a player in ITST that doesnt do one of them. so why are we picking on drops?

maybe because drops actually make speed matter...and guess what? NO ONE has speed!!! if you have speed then drops are easily countered.

someone please outline an argument how drops are any more cheesy or unsim than any of the above mentioned tactics. id love to read it...

It's just impossible to hit it on every points , contrary to dropshots

[djarvik]

this might be a case of missing the forest for the trees...

how is hitting short angle control shots every single pt any different that hitting drop shots? or drop volleys? or hitting control lobs whenever u are trailing in a pt? or hitting short angle slices? or hitting power shots to the corners over and over? none of those things are sim, guys. yet there isnt a player in ITST that doesnt do one of them. so why are we picking on drops?

maybe because drops actually make speed matter...and guess what? NO ONE has speed!!! if you have speed then drops are easily countered.

someone please outline an argument how drops are any more cheesy or unsim than any of the above mentioned tactics. id love to read it...

You like to argue ah?

Can you hit control shots extreme short cross every time you want? You wish. Lob controls? I played since day one and this is the first I hear of it. Not saying this could not become a problem, just never encountered it. Short angle slices only work if your opponent is a good few feet behind the baseline. Slices ARE overpowered in all TS games, I agree, but not any specific slices - all of them. Since we cannot just do away with slices in a tennis game, we have to leave with it. Power shots on the corners over and over? Really? You can do that? LOL Didn't notice in our match or were you going easy on me?

We are not trying to become completely realistic, complete SIM, it is impossible. But we are trying to be somewhat realistic and true to life. Drop shots and drop volleys are not only overpowered, they are too easy to pull off and are a rarity in a real tennis game. Hence they become cheesy when overused.

It's funny how you think that this thread and a few more on the subject offer no argument for you. You either don't read them, don't grasp the concept or simply want to argue about something, doesn't matter what.