edlglide wrote:Dark-Disaster wrote:The reason Welch is so overpowered is really a flaw in the Topspin 4 gameplay. The incredibly consistant angles in this game makes pretty much any coach with high defense levels (specifically, high fh and bh) "overpowered". Everybody who plays real tennis knows that an extreme angled cross court shot is a high risk shot compared to a high, deep, topspin shot. However, the mechanics of topspin 4 pretty much gives both of the shots I mentioned above the same chance of landing in, which is precisly why defensive baseliners benefit the most from this game compared to the more offensive mentalities of the other 2 playstyles.
The above paragraph is pretty much why banning Welch is useless. What does Welch have that others don't, drop shot artist? There are plenty of coaches that have the same high fh/bh that can create the extreme angles that you guys detest. The key to balance isn't banning Welsh, another coach will just appear, the balance ITST seeks lies in the complete change and overhaul of the game's mechanics. (obviously that isn't in our power, we can only pray.)
(By the way, the key to changing Topspin 4's gameplay to be more realistic lies in the words I highlighted)
No -- the extreme angles aren't the problem with Welch....at least not to me. I can create the same extreme angles with my player (not as consistently, but I can still do it).
The problem is that Welch's wings are so high, combined with his excellent speed/stamina, that not only is it basically impossible to hit a winner against him unless his player manages to wrongfoot himself all the way across on the other side of the court, but he will consistently rip insane winners from absurd positions because of those high wings. To be honest, the Slavina coach might be even worse with 90+ speed, 81 on both wings, and reach swings expert -- but no one really uses her so it's hard to say.
But there are no other coaches that let you have 86 on both wings, or 91 on one side and 81 on the other side, to go along with enough speed to easily run down cross court shots without really having to worry about them. No other coaches (outside Slavina) even come close to that. So contrary to what you said, there are no other coaches that can give the same kind of FH/BH that Welch can. You can get a high 80s or even low 90s FH or BH with other coaches, but not both.
I was never complaining about the extreme angles (while they are silly, there's absolutely nothing we can do about that; plenty of coaches can hit them). I was complaining about the fact that even when you hit one of those extreme angled shots, and Welch is on the tramline opposite court, he can still run over and rip his own extreme angled shot right back (among other things, but I'm just using that as an example). Like I said originally, he's the only coach I've played against where I feel like there's literally nothing I can do against him. To be honest, I think he's much MUCH harder to play against than Pei Jing whatever ever was.
You are right that Top Spin 4 is just fundamentally broken though.
You're correct, and I agree with you when it comes to the overpoweredness of Welch. But one of the two points I was making was: what stops Slavina from doing exactly what you said if Welch is banned? In exchange for 5 points less on both wings, you get 100 speed, nothing's going to get past that. (My other point was about game mechanics, but nothing we can do about that until topspin 5...........)
