Do you think TS4 ITST rules must be changed?

[Gotenkssan]

The reality is that even if the rules are changed the best players will remain best. The problem is not the rules but the "problem" is that there are many really good players here that will continue to win with any rule. Maybe it would be good to train more and try to improve their game and their tactics instead of continuing to complain and expect to lose only because it is a problem of rules.

Hi guys

Thats very true Painted. To train more is the only option to compete with the top guys here.... Make your timing perfect with control shots and improve your positioning. The rest is training, training, training.....
If i wasn't playing the game for a week or two i experienced a huge decrease in my TS4 skills....

[Airton111]

Hi Gontenksan why you dont play atp 500 mss? we have a pending match .
I agree that are really good players that seem invincible but you can win if you believe in the victory and fight to get it. I've won players that I never thought beat and maybe I will never beat again...just fight and fight even if you are worst than your opponent

[Painted Crystal]

Only a statistical analysis to see just what I said.
I hit 80% of my shots with perfect timing, 10% with good timing and 10% with wrong timing.
With these percentages I win 90% of my matches in WT (for example actually Im 17/1 W/L and obiuvsly the only match lost was against an ITST player )
With these same percentages I lose 06 06 an ITST match if in the other side there's a normal/good/top player
Here you can win a point only if you hit only perfect and some good shot, if you wrong you die and it's your fault not the rules

This is the beauty of playing here, when you hit a wrong shot you lose the point, as in real tennis

[Airton111]

World Tour level is low ITST level is high. I always win the boy who has more titles and he always insults me... I dont understand why he wins a lot tournaments

[ICEMAN_9588]

You're talking about Play Station WT or XBox WT?
In the first case, I've faced a loooooot of time the guy with more titles ever, and our match are always close (sometimes I win, sometimes I lose), but we've always congratulated each other.
Never had a problem with him, it's strange hearing that (if we're talking about the same person).

Anyway, fact that top players are also the top users in the game, doesn't mean that all the rules are ok.
For instance, some users said a right thing: how can I try to improve or, better, to build a good ranking, if the top guys play every tournament and I have always to face them in early rounds?

I mean, we have top users playing like 25-30 or more tournaments per year.
Now, that's possible since TS4 players don't have to worry about age, injuries, scheduling and things like these.
But actually, you can play any tournament without facing them.

To me it's ok, I play against the opponents that every draws "offer", but it's something that makes sense.
I'll put a maximum number of tournaments playable during the season, of course for EVERY single player, not only for top 10 or top 15.

[BrushedBigJJ]

World Tour level is low ITST level is high. I always win the boy who has more titles and he always insults me... I dont understand why he wins a lot tournaments

You're talking about Play Station WT or XBox WT?
In the first case, I've faced a loooooot of time the guy with more titles ever, and our match are always close (sometimes I win, sometimes I lose), but we've always congratulated each other.
Never had a problem with him, it's strange hearing that (if we're talking about the same person).

First, airton is talking about the guy that has the most titles on Xbox wt. He always insults everyone who beats him. He has issues.

Second, the reason he has the most titles is because he has kept his character from the beginning of the games existence. Most everyone else reset their characters at some point. Which means he's played more tournaments than everyone else by far, which is why he has won more than everyone else. Same goes for the guy with the second most titles.

Third, he tried itst, and didn't win a single tournement big or small.

But it's good to hear the guy on ps3 has good sportsmanship.

[ICEMAN_9588]

Yes, sometime ago there was this Frenchman, a monster. First time we faced each other, I congratulated with him a couple of times, but he never answered.
Then, it came a German guy, who was able to compete against the French, and he was also very kind and nice guy to talk with.
But now they're both retired (or at leas, it seems so).

Now there's another frenchman guy (the one I was talking about before) that has more titles than everyone.
Of course he is using the same character since so many seasons, but it's normal, if you keep playing with the same player for a long time, it's right you have more titles/points/wins.
In WT there's only a stat about total match played (WT + 2K Open) with the nickname, not with the character, but there is not the same stat about tournaments won.

[ICEMAN_9588]

But it's good to hear the guy on ps3 has good sportsmanship.

Well, he is, but he is also one of the few...
Let's put it like this: great users in general (almost all) are also nice guys, they never insulted me, and we've always congratulated each others after a match.
But apart of these guys, there are a lot of other guys that easily insult you.
Of course, after a loss: something is telling me that if they would win, they would not be so angry

[Gotenkssan]

Hi Gontenksan why you dont play atp 500 mss? we have a pending match .

Yes we do. I am always looking forward to play good opponents. Right now I am just playing to relax, ITST needs to much concentration right now. Perhaps the Fifa Tee comeback will refill my motivation....

[prince shah]

World Tour level is low ITST level is high. I always win the boy who has more titles and he always insults me... I dont understand why he wins a lot tournaments

I'll actually strongly disagree that ITST players have the best guys compared to WT guys. The best guys In WT are monsters each one of them. The best guys are ThaReincarnated, prince shah, HemingwayErnest, and moreau. They are probably a level above the best ITST guys. Its not about who plays the rules, its about each player having the right to express his game. The current rules only favor low power guys who love staying on the court forever. Even high powered players can warp every once in a while so speed should not be favored over power, it should be balanced. I don't see high powered players consistently beating low powered guys so there is a balance. If the risk shot was involved then it would be understandable for rules to exist, otherwise there shouldn't be rules restricting builds. Nobody wants to play long extended points when theres another player waiting to play you. The patch itself is terrible as it is.

[ELTXETXU]

World Tour level is low ITST level is high. I always win the boy who has more titles and he always insults me... I dont understand why he wins a lot tournaments

I'll actually strongly disagree that ITST players have the best guys compared to WT guys. The best guys In WT are monsters each one of them. The best guys are ThaReincarnated, prince shah, HemingwayErnest, and moreau

You are saying that you are the best?? Very humble...

Speaking seriously, i think that you are talking about Xbox tour and i played PS3 TS4 tour. However the numbers 1 and 2 of both tours were the same: sh0case and Fifat, and i can strongly say that i have never seen a better player than sh0case. I have played WT since the begining of the game (man and women) and i have never seen any player better than ITST's top 10. Last time i played number 4 of WT PS3 history or something like that and i lost 4-3 3-1 and against number 1 LOSC, i lost 3-1 4-2. Against the best ITST player maybe i could win 20 points in a 3 set match and lost 6-0 6-0 6-0.

Anyway remember that the rules have changed with the time. The first rule was Monster def. banned and any other character allowed, and that the game is too old so the best of the best players (fabada, Likos, zooloo, Poumadoro...) are retired

[prince shah]

World Tour level is low ITST level is high. I always win the boy who has more titles and he always insults me... I dont understand why he wins a lot tournaments

I'll actually strongly disagree that ITST players have the best guys compared to WT guys. The best guys In WT are monsters each one of them. The best guys are ThaReincarnated, prince shah, HemingwayErnest, and moreau

You are saying that you are the best?? Very humble...

Speaking seriously, i think that you are talking about Xbox tour and i played PS3 TS4 tour. However the numbers 1 and 2 of both tours were the same: sh0case and Fifat, and i can strongly say that i have never seen a better player than sh0case. I have played WT since the begining of the game (man and women) and i have never seen any player better than ITST's top 10. Last time i played number 4 of WT PS3 history or something like that and i lost 4-3 3-1 and against number 1 LOSC, i lost 3-1 4-2. Against the best ITST player maybe i could win 20 points in a 3 set match and lost 6-0 6-0 6-0.

Anyway remember that the rules have changed with the time. The first rule was Monster def. banned and any other character allowed, and that the game is too old so the best of the best players (fabada, Likos, zooloo, Poumadoro...) are retired

If you talking about sh0case I regularly beat him and some other guys who claimed they're the best. 1st year I saw good players but 2nd year quality is gone. The majority of good players left after the heavy power removal patch. I liked Ts3 because it was action packed compared to the turtle slow style of Ts4. I was practically undefeated in Ts3 but only lost to Moreau and HemingwayErnest who I have a winning record against. The main point is rule comparison. Making rules only to accommodate less skilled players and make it look like they're as good as the better guys is plain selfish. I completely agree with everything MotivatedBeef said. To put restrictions on a heavily restricted patch is foolish.

[Rob ITST]

The best guys are ThaReincarnated, prince shah, HemingwayErnest, and moreau.

You just lost all credibility with that statement.

Moreau and HemingwayErnest just plain suck.

[prince shah]

The best guys are ThaReincarnated, prince shah, HemingwayErnest, and moreau.

You just lost all credibility with that statement.

You're pretty good, Reincarnated is ok, but Moreau and HemingwayErnest just plain suck.

I don't think anybody can say they've beaten Moreau or HemingwayErnest in Ts3. About Ts4 1st year I didn't see them but I know you can only beat those guys by a point this season. They're true veterans. About me I honestly don't know. I've been through 8 builds and still hating it. I don't run speed builds because the medium power builds have enough speed. I just wish Ts4 didn't stray so far from Ts3. Ts3 was essentially the perfect game without the risk shot. It was really fast paced.

[Rob ITST]

I've owned Moreau on every TS game. He's 100% cheese, and once you figure his game out you realize he's a mindless button masher. I could almost shut him out without losing points on TS3.

HemingwayErnest was a bit better, but the hardest thing about beating him on TS3 was just keeping my cool and not letting all of his gamesmanship get in my head (mostly, the line dancing on service returns). On TS4 I think he beat me once - we haven't played much, but I remember how proud he was after the match he won.

I can see someone saying that HemingwayErnest is good, but I'm a bit shocked that you threw Moreau's name in there. I think you're letting his fake record get into your head. Moreau used a glitch to keep a perfect record on TS3 - I remember beating him once, and he was back in my lobby with a prefect win/loss record. On TS4 he leaves lobbies to keep his rating low, so he doesn't get matched up with better players in tournaments. Good players don't use glitches to elevate their ranking.

BTW: What other gamertags have you used? Prince Shah is new to me (I've played every TS game made), but you've obviously been around for a while.