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Postby synesthesia70 » Thu, 10 Feb 2011 21:39

I actually think federer's stats are pretty accurate. The player federer is now is very aggressive and different from what he was a few years ago. In other sports game where rosters are updated every year players's attributes decline over years. If this was his stats 2 or 3 years ago then it probably wouldn't be acceptable.

Murray's backhand and forehand stats should be reverse. murray's backhand is the real weapon. His speed is deceptive in that he's 6'3" so giving him high 80s would be too much so mid 70s is acceptable. However, 46 for volleys? Murray is in the top 5 volleyer, if not 1st, in the tour. I don't know if that'll be acceptable.

But I like the idea of having balanced players and different styles of play.
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Postby djarvik » Thu, 10 Feb 2011 21:55

Once again, balancing issue. If he would have a high volley he would be too good. He must have a weakness.....and that is reduced power and net play.

This time around, Volley seems to be a GOOD stat. Meaning you can really control the match with this stat.....and if that's the case, then in an effort to preserve Murrays style - the decision to make his volleys low is the right one.

I can even try and justify his BH vs FH choice of stat, although this argument has too many holes: Murrays BH is more precise, he can change direction with it like no one else....but his FH carries more punch, even thou that is the "ugly" shot and that is the shot that will break down first. Sorta like that? ....since there is no more risk, they trying to bring more power to that side via stats.

But like I said, this argument fails. The stats needs reversing (even thou it will make Murray hit his BH harder then he hits it in real life, thus destroying his play-style).
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Postby VillaJ100 » Thu, 10 Feb 2011 22:07

djarvik wrote:553 total. You missing 7 more points.

I am glad 2K took a Page(s) from our SIM tour and made all characters now cap out at 70. It will make it possible to use Pros along side created players in our tour.

We put in a lot of work in our SIM tour and it shows. I am so proud, I am going to cry now. :cry: :cry: :lol: :lol: 8) 8)


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Postby synesthesia70 » Thu, 10 Feb 2011 22:23

djarvik wrote:Once again, balancing issue. If he would have a high volley he would be too good. He must have a weakness.....and that is reduced power and net play.

This time around, Volley seems to be a GOOD stat. Meaning you can really control the match with this stat.....and if that's the case, then in an effort to preserve Murrays style - the decision to make his volleys low is the right one.

I can even try and justify his BH vs FH choice of stat, although this argument has too many holes: Murrays BH is more precise, he can change direction with it like no one else....but his FH carries more punch, even thou that is the "ugly" shot and that is the shot that will break down first. Sorta like that? ....since there is no more risk, they trying to bring more power to that side via stats.

But like I said, this argument fails. The stats needs reversing (even thou it will make Murray hit his BH harder then he hits it in real life, thus destroying his play-style).



Yeah, I mean I can see what they're trying to do in preserving the balanced along with the different styles and putting murray in the category of baseliner is on point. And ideally for the game's theme is the right one in having a weakness ala the sim tour. but still... 46?
I mean just making an observation I suppose.

Correct me if I'm wrong but the FH and BH stats are for precision/accuracy and control not "punch." I believe that's where the power comes from.

You really think murray's fh has more punch?!?!
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Postby djarvik » Thu, 10 Feb 2011 22:42

Yes. I am positive. He can generate more punch from his FH side. It is a heavier ball and it can be big. He mostly likes it just above his waste and he likes going cross deep with it.

BH is a more stable, versatile shot. for sure.

You right about the stats. :lol: I said this theory got holes...this is a big one.
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Postby djarvik » Thu, 10 Feb 2011 22:50

VillaJ100 wrote:Forehand: 82
Backhand: 79
Serve : 54
Volley : 43
Power : 64
Stamina: 90
Speed : 87
Reflexes : 61


Looks good to me! 8)
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Postby synesthesia70 » Thu, 10 Feb 2011 23:34

whoa i just realized they took away the return stat...I wonder how come?
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Postby supinesmokey13 » Fri, 11 Feb 2011 00:27

VillaJ100 wrote:Murray's forehand and backhand stats need to be switched. Sampras' serve and volley stats too. And also, i would argue sampras is more of a true all-court player than roger federer.

federer is actually more of all-court player than sampras roger can volley trade strokes, construct points fro the back of the court and finish at net and defends as well as anyone in tennis sampras was almost an all out serve and volleyer it's only because he had a monster forehand that he stayed back as much his serve was his main asset setting up easy put aways at net pplus if sampras was more rounded than fed he would have at least made the finals of the french fed's ability to compete and thrive against the best players on all surfaces shows us he is more rounded sampras could only get done on quick courts the favoured serve volleyers and net rushers and all of aggression whereas federer can attacking tennis fast courts and the the drop shotting, construct a point patient tennis need on the slower courts thats why nadal or no nadal fed has won the french and has had more success on clay
all court player can adapt to different styles of play and surface something sampras refused to do he tried to fully adapt his game to clay roger DID
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Postby Samael » Fri, 11 Feb 2011 00:37

The Mutant a top 5 volleyer? OMG! The man barely hits 2-3 voleys a match!
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Postby synesthesia70 » Fri, 11 Feb 2011 01:03

KOELLERER wrote:The Mutant a top 5 volleyer? OMG! The man barely hits 2-3 voleys a match!


True, but that doesn't mean he's not a good volleyer.
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Postby Coolhand Texas » Fri, 11 Feb 2011 01:59

djarvik, i figured you would love this paragraph. its like how you play now, except it seems like it would be a lot more affective in this game.

Of course, it’s possible to neutralize offensive baseline players with clever shot selection. Since offensive baseline player types are a little slower in speed, they are not able to cover a lot of ground quickly and returning shots far from the center of the court is more difficult. Additionally, these player types are more vulnerable to low hit balls (slice shots for example), in which they can potentially lose power and precision on their shot resulting in a higher chance of making errors.
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Postby Samael » Fri, 11 Feb 2011 02:12

There are many other better volleyers than the Mutant in the game.
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Postby VillaJ100 » Fri, 11 Feb 2011 04:26

supinesmokey13 wrote:
VillaJ100 wrote:Murray's forehand and backhand stats need to be switched. Sampras' serve and volley stats too. And also, i would argue sampras is more of a true all-court player than roger federer.

federer is actually more of all-court player than sampras roger can volley trade strokes, construct points fro the back of the court and finish at net and defends as well as anyone in tennis sampras was almost an all out serve and volleyer it's only because he had a monster forehand that he stayed back as much his serve was his main asset setting up easy put aways at net pplus if sampras was more rounded than fed he would have at least made the finals of the french fed's ability to compete and thrive against the best players on all surfaces shows us he is more rounded sampras could only get done on quick courts the favoured serve volleyers and net rushers and all of aggression whereas federer can attacking tennis fast courts and the the drop shotting, construct a point patient tennis need on the slower courts thats why nadal or no nadal fed has won the french and has had more success on clay
all court player can adapt to different styles of play and surface something sampras refused to do he tried to fully adapt his game to clay roger DID


Whoa friend, Im not getting involved into an argument about who is better, Federer or Sampras, as the world will end in about 5 billion years and people will still be arguing about it then.
for the record, before about 2000, sampras was not a "traditional" serve-and-volleyer. He only ever served and volleyed on his 1st serve about 75% of the time. In modern tennis he would be seen as a serve and volleyer, but the reality is, he only ever serve and volleyed on his 1st and 2nd serves at wimbledon. About Sampras's forehand, he used an eastern grip, which im pretty sure Federer uses as well, and sampras did have unquestionably the greatest running forehand in the world, ever.
Its true that Sampras never even come close to winning the French Open. But that doesn't mean he was a complete deadbeat on clay, he had a 2/2 record against Agassi on clay and was a major part in the 1995 davis cup winning team for the USA, when they played Russia on clay. Granted he never reached the heights of Federer by winning the French title, but therein lies another argument about general surface homogenisation, which i dont have the time or energy for today.

My basic argument is, Federer is a baseliner, i.e. a player who predominantly plays on or just behind the baseline, looking for a attacking groundtroke upon which to attack the net. Sampras was a player who looked to take the ball early also, but move forward lierally as soon as possible. When the surface dictacted, this would be immediately after the serve, hence using "all of the court". and making him an "all court-player", i.e. he uses all of the court equally, not only encroaching on the forecourt when the percentages in that current rally are favourable for you to move forward.
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Postby supinesmokey13 » Fri, 11 Feb 2011 08:28

VillaJ100 wrote:
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VillaJ100 wrote:Murray's forehand and backhand stats need to be switched. Sampras' serve and volley stats too. And also, i would argue sampras is more of a true all-court player than roger federer.

federer is actually more of all-court player than sampras roger can volley trade strokes, construct points fro the back of the court and finish at net and defends as well as anyone in tennis sampras was almost an all out serve and volleyer it's only because he had a monster forehand that he stayed back as much his serve was his main asset setting up easy put aways at net pplus if sampras was more rounded than fed he would have at least made the finals of the french fed's ability to compete and thrive against the best players on all surfaces shows us he is more rounded sampras could only get done on quick courts the favoured serve volleyers and net rushers and all of aggression whereas federer can attacking tennis fast courts and the the drop shotting, construct a point patient tennis need on the slower courts thats why nadal or no nadal fed has won the french and has had more success on clay
all court player can adapt to different styles of play and surface something sampras refused to do he tried to fully adapt his game to clay roger DID


Whoa friend, Im not getting involved into an argument about who is better, Federer or Sampras, as the world will end in about 5 billion years and people will still be arguing about it then.
for the record, before about 2000, sampras was not a "traditional" serve-and-volleyer. He only ever served and volleyed on his 1st serve about 75% of the time. In modern tennis he would be seen as a serve and volleyer, but the reality is, he only ever serve and volleyed on his 1st and 2nd serves at wimbledon. About Sampras's forehand, he used an eastern grip, which im pretty sure Federer uses as well, and sampras did have unquestionably the greatest running forehand in the world, ever.
Its true that Sampras never even come close to winning the French Open. But that doesn't mean he was a complete deadbeat on clay, he had a 2/2 record against Agassi on clay and was a major part in the 1995 davis cup winning team for the USA, when they played Russia on clay. Granted he never reached the heights of Federer by winning the French title, but therein lies another argument about general surface homogenisation, which i dont have the time or energy for today.

My basic argument is, Federer is a baseliner, i.e. a player who predominantly plays on or just behind the baseline, looking for a attacking groundtroke upon which to attack the net. Sampras was a player who looked to take the ball early also, but move forward lierally as soon as possible. When the surface dictacted, this would be immediately after the serve, hence using "all of the court". and making him an "all court-player", i.e. he uses all of the court equally, not only encroaching on the forecourt when the percentages in that current rally are favourable for you to move forward.
by your description of sampras 75% is enough to call him aserve volleyer and by take the return early and moving forward that means he employd the chip-charge technique often making him a net player agreeded federer plays from the basdeline mostly but like sampras to at wimbledon particulary in 03 he serve volleyed a lot federer also chip-charges he tsonga, and youzhny do it the most in the top 20 my point was that feds net game is better the sampras's ground game sampras often looked to set up his running forehand whereas federer used his backand slice topspin backhand to open the court up for his forehand federer hits his forehand with more spin thus allowing to create angles on court sampras doesnt tat is one of the differences is thier eras the different angle on court that players find todayusing spin together with netplay thus using all the court butanyway your rite but sampras was seen as more of a serve volleyer than and all court player cos his basline game was not htat great very goodbut not great you didnt see half volley hb from him at the back off the court at net yiu did though
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Postby ANILTJE » Sat, 12 Feb 2011 16:20

djarvik wrote:
We put in a lot of work in our SIM tour and it shows. I am so proud, I am going to cry now. :cry: :cry: :lol: :lol: 8) 8)


Thank god you're still saying WE lol :lol:

I do hope that the character creation will be that you will actually have to choose a style.

If TS3 would have been like that from the get go ( like in in game pro players ) and OUR :-) SIM roster. It would have been amazing really.

But you know . Without trying to being a total pessimist . THEY promised so many stuff for TS3. With the most realistic this , that, grunts??? ( I mean the grunts were a joke, not a good beginning ) . But not much actually was there in the game.
I staying very skeptical for the moment. But mayyyyybe they actually gonna do it right this time. It does sound very good till now.

Till now all the TS games were fun yet glitchy and highly cheesy :-) Unless tweaked by ITST. Hope they get it right out of the box this time.
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