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Postby djarvik » Thu, 20 Jan 2011 14:51

I am driving to the office now, just wait till I get there...
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Postby tenjintenkai » Thu, 20 Jan 2011 15:11

haha... funny "risk" people!
But i wouldnt take this info as 100% true... from what the magazine is saying we can guess they are not TS player so they might not have tested the game the "right way".
I think i remember a preview or a press release stating there'll be only one risk button, the other shoulder button beeing when you want "to move from a backhand position to execute a forehand" (sorry i forgot the term in english).
If it's like this then im fine with it, good move.
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Postby Moralspain » Thu, 20 Jan 2011 15:21

djarvik wrote:I am driving to the office now, just wait till I get there...


hahaha, drive carefully my friend
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Postby djarvik » Thu, 20 Jan 2011 15:23

OK, I am here now :)

To say that risk in tennis is "unrealistic" is beyond paradoxical. It basically shows no real life tennis experience whatsoever. Anyone that ever hit the tennis ball in real life knows, all shots are risky in tennis. Some more then others - but ALL have risk in them.

Now to risk in TS3. Humburgerboy, your timing is the WORST part of your game - not the best. Your movement, LB, RB, anticipation etc is what makes you good. Your timing is average at best. To hit a perfect timed non-risk shot is the easiest thing in TS3. THE EASIEST. Like Sound said, if your timing with regular shots is good - then your risk timing is good too. It is THE SAME timing. You know I like you and like playing you. I risk 100% of the time, I always either tap or hold LT or RT. Are our matches boring? ;) (I am not trying to offend you at all man)

Bottom line is, you may not like risk, it is fine.... because it requires you to take off your finger of LB and RB (or use another finger) and you feel awkward, but to say this is unrealistic is simply hiding behind the fact. It has nothing to do with reality.

About 80% of ITST not wanting risk???? I think you reversed the numbers, and some.

The only problem I had with risk is how EASY it was to pull off. And primarily how easy it is to pull off LT+RT. I think LT and RT risk on their own are done excellent! LT places it closer to the line, RT give more pace with little direction. It is when you combine both together - it should be TWICE as hard to pull off....but I feel it is absolutely the same.
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Postby Puttu puttuu » Thu, 20 Jan 2011 15:28

i would not take this information seriously for now .

i have found loads of facts that contradict themselves .

I read somewhere else that risk shot was still there , this time only one trigger ...

Hamburgeboy mentions no move support ... 2 k have officially announced move support yesterday .

"2K Sports has announced that ‘Top Spin 4′ will be sprinting its way to UK stores as of March 18th, which is the usual three days later than our friends across the pond. The game is set to feature big names such as Rafael Nadal, Anna Ivanovic, and Andy Murray, and eagle eyed gamers have spotted a welcome ‘PlayStation Move Features’ label on the box cover.

It has since been confirmed that Move has indeed been implemented".
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Postby Moralspain » Thu, 20 Jan 2011 15:33

Puttu puttuu wrote:i would not take this information seriously for now .

i have found loads of facts that contradict themselves .

I read somewhere else that risk shot was still there , this time only one trigger ...


risk will be there, maybe in a different way, but it will definitely be risk shots, i mean otherwise how would you hit powerful shots to the line then?, ok let's say "having the right timing and just holding the a or b button more time", that's risk, you may don't have a button but i'm sure that the perfect timing will be hard to manage, so not everybody will be able to hits shots to the line.....only Norbeto hahaha
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Postby AUSSIE_FABS » Thu, 20 Jan 2011 15:45

I have move, I wonder if you have to play the style of player ie with rafa have to do lasso with motion controller. Now that would look lol.
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Postby Tantsutallinn » Thu, 20 Jan 2011 15:52

AUSSIE_FABS wrote:I have move, I wonder if you have to play the style of player ie with rafa have to do lasso with motion controller. Now that would look lol.


yes, practice already http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rb3smnR6NSc 8)
with move your footwork should be perfect too, and you have to step into the shot for more pace :D :D :D
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Postby Puttu puttuu » Thu, 20 Jan 2011 17:44

i have move ... would still prefer playing with a controller .

How would move work online ?\
would it possible for one player to use move wile your opponent plays with the controller ?
imagine the nightmare . surely the controller has the advantage of being more accurate .
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Postby AUSSIE_FABS » Fri, 21 Jan 2011 08:12

Yeah move will be for more relaxed matches. Ps move is REALLY accurate it is just that most developers don't have time or money to use it fully ie in top spin it will round off what you doing giving a margin of error. Because they will I assume have preset animations and not use a physics engine.

Also serving may be able to be exploited, with a flick of wrist getting mega power although they can counter that by using the ps eye more effectively.
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Postby Hamburgerboy27 » Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:08

djarvik wrote:OK, I am here now :)

To say that risk in tennis is "unrealistic" is beyond paradoxical. It basically shows no real life tennis experience whatsoever. Anyone that ever hit the tennis ball in real life knows, all shots are risky in tennis. Some more then others - but ALL have risk in them.

Now to risk in TS3. Humburgerboy, your timing is the WORST part of your game - not the best. Your movement, LB, RB, anticipation etc is what makes you good. Your timing is average at best. To hit a perfect timed non-risk shot is the easiest thing in TS3. THE EASIEST. Like Sound said, if your timing with regular shots is good - then your risk timing is good too. It is THE SAME timing. You know I like you and like playing you. I risk 100% of the time, I always either tap or hold LT or RT. Are our matches boring? ;) (I am not trying to offend you at all man)

Bottom line is, you may not like risk, it is fine.... because it requires you to take off your finger of LB and RB (or use another finger) and you feel awkward, but to say this is unrealistic is simply hiding behind the fact. It has nothing to do with reality.

About 80% of ITST not wanting risk???? I think you reversed the numbers, and some.

The only problem I had with risk is how EASY it was to pull off. And primarily how easy it is to pull off LT+RT. I think LT and RT risk on their own are done excellent! LT places it closer to the line, RT give more pace with little direction. It is when you combine both together - it should be TWICE as hard to pull off....but I feel it is absolutely the same.


Sorry your text is too long and have now not enought Time too answer now off all :P

I have never say some risk is unrealistic,but when the most Gamers play "all the time risk" ist this very unrealistic for me.

I think EVERY people have another conception from TS3 and fun by TS3 and i dont like this risk shoots.

Have lose yesterday RAE in 5 Sets after 2 Hours and we both play without Risk(RAE only some bad risk-Returns :wink: )
Was for me a incedrible Match with great Reallys and one off the best Matches ever for me by TS3...yes i have lose but i have much fun by the Matches.

Yes our Matches was alltimes Funny in the last 1-2 Years Djarvik and you play with Risk but i like your Gameplay! :wink:

The problem is for me:I have started my ITST career 2008 by ITSS and have think then:Wow EVERY Player have a personal Gamestyle and have never play 2 Guys with the same Gamestyle and the most peoples have Play 2008-2009 without Risk(or only some risk),was great tennis and fun here by ITST but now i must say:The most peoples have a related Gameytyle and want Win with ALL possibilities...

I think some good ITST Players have to leave ITST in the last 1 Year and this not without basic,some peoples have lose the Fun here...not about ITST,ITST make a great Job but the Tennis have changed here.

I have say over 80% from the ITST peoples sure not lucky about a TS4 without risk...

When my timing the worst part of the Game,i have sure never a chance too win points,sets or Matches...i play in the last Year only Matches with Bishop
and he have Power 58 and i can beat with this 90 Setup players or all the Time Risk Players and play by some Matches with more Power without risk as a my Opponent with 80-90 Power or with risk...i cant understand why you say this is my worst part by my Game... :roll:

When i not make a good stroke or perfect stroke i lose the Points with 58 Power and without risk...my argument :wink:


For all:Yes is right was only a PREVIEW in the Magazine and if all right is not sure.
But i think give NO risk only the new Topspin stroke, but this is sure likewise Risk-Play.
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Postby GOA MASTER MDMA » Fri, 21 Jan 2011 11:08

sorry ,but thats complete bull shit .
all what you wrote is wrong .

i have not the nerves to go deeper inside .
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Postby Hamburgerboy27 » Fri, 21 Jan 2011 11:30

4 Players:

Aside from 2009 tennis Virtua, it's been almost three years that leveraged the large surviving tennis ACEs to their third supplement. However, according to top spin 3, Virtua Tennis 3 and smash court tennis 3 it has become quietly to the felt. Until this year the duel is top spin for Virtua Tennis - simulation against arcade - a new round. 2 K beats up sports against Sega in March!The question of career

One can speak spin 4 on top without talking about top spin 3 . Because when 2 k last opened sports, was a new generation of digital tennis' before: for the first time not only timing by hitting was important - for the first time the player to the ball's position was instrumental.

Video: Supplement 2 k sports: top spin 4 opens the season 2011.Ball were also significantly slower than its predecessors and competitors. «The simple term» tennis simulation «has been the leitmotif of development and just to top buttons to spin 4.»

The motto is commendable now as then. At that time failed developer Pam development however, packaging the best physics in a good game. There was no real ball dynamics, smart opponents and an extensive career. And although we have held since many duels with an early Xbox 360 version of top spin 4: yet we don't know what the new career. Because the preview version allows only individual games before a console. After all, a text display reveals that you again no matter whether offline or online, earn experience points in each game. Information about character creation, online gaming and move support we must forego but for the time being.

Simulation instead of Sega

Were this year's Edition is incidentally at the mafia 2 Maker 2 k Czech - Pam development was sadly closed. Luck in disguise: key developer of the original Studio continue the series. And after the first Ballwechseln was clear that the mixture of French and Czech occupation has done excellent job. We have had such thrilling matches for the excellent Virtua Tennis 3 not delivered!

This top spin waives again everything Sega's counterpart to the arcade world champion. Although it depends on rapid response and clever tactics, but the ball flies with perceived speed of light over the square. The professionals also silos don't like Comic characters along baseline. A credible dullness is rather characteristic:By the way

25 licensed ACEs are in place, including the current top with Federer and Nadal and older men like a kahlgeschorener Agassi and of course Boris Becker:

Men:. Nadal, Agassi, Federer, Borg, Becker, courier, Rafter, Djokovic, Lendl, Sampras, Roddick, Chang, Murray, Blake, Tomic, Simon, Davydenko, Tomic, Bouchard, Wawrinka

Ladies:. Ivanovic, Jankovic, Safina, Serena Williams, Zvonareva

You Sprint in a snap to the grid and change the direction within an eyelash strike. Who sent ausguckt his opponent, can it therefore play a well placed cross. Who is close to the network reached no praise, falling on the baseline, however, even with good response. Powerful, precise strokes only succeed if the player gets the ball well at the Club. Advantages on backhand-touch is all the more meaningful or vice versa to go - is a great way to play an important ball by strong hand!

The right time

The most important aspect is the timing as its predecessor. Because only who releases the key slice, praise, top spin or flat blow at the right moment can put the opponent with dangerous balls under pressure. A strong return so early press the button and let go shortly before the ball reaches the player. Such a power punch to be well considered: how really powerful it succeeds only if you have enough time to recharge. Thank God those nonsense was stationed here after the one in part three immediately after a blow could charge already the next and was hardly able to respond to the gameplay. Charging this time begins after the strike of the counterparty.


So important to play also a further strike variant: the less powerful, precise blow. Because you can only set the opponent with hard balls under pressure when they brought him with bad achieving short slices or wide top spins in distress. It is enough the short tapping a button at the right moment and already placed shots in the corners or just behind the net land. For a stop to be the right shoulder button learned in addition - the last vestige of a trademark of the series, the risk shots. And whose removal is amazingly good Dynamics! Because now the correct position and the exact timing revolves around. Diverse, dynamic ball instead verkopfter gameplay mechanics: This distinguishes this adult simulation.

And effort pay?

There are only small weaknesses which brakes big euphoria. Because the inertia of professionals may be a strength - but it seems sometimes a short Sprint towards the ball would be actually possible to prevent point loss. Instead the players trot quite slowly after some well placed cross.
Top spin 4 begins a great characteristic gestures and movements of the pros!
Why is there no short manual sprints that dwell on the past in return of the stamina? It eventually anyway affect on precision and strength.

Such Sprint could replace the serve and volley game for which you must take a key when hitting. Only, but not always, the professional works well online. Compared to the otherwise very direct and credible Laufarbeit we felt this as unpleasant ornery. Last but not least it looks so as the own professional would listless offer a difficult ball rather than to seek with outstretched bat to rescue. As experienced video player is of course, that the ball in such situations as missed was charged. «It would do the feeling well, if you would be signaled:» it's a pity, but you have tried you honestly and it looked cool.

The TV stars

This last point weighs not difficult. He seems unnecessary, however, the more the more you look at players and tennis courts. Because apart from minor top spin 4 of a broadcast comes close to seductive! The public man with tight Ballwechseln tense hecklers contact athletes by name and the addressees turn then into the audience. They look relaxed, if the match is still young and look uncomfortable doggedly when they are requested. It is the whole dynamic - how to move players between the Ballwechseln at the point or facial expressions which they react to receive points - which amazingly remember real TV images.

«And sometimes there are these animated moments in the game: once rescued» our «Boris with a Hechtrolle the ball is Agassi with a shock through his legs point - world class! The spectacular tricks are a rarity. If it succeed, look for it all the more credible, make all the more gripping this tennis simulation. The season begins in March of this year? I burn now on this hot title contender!
Views Last I had done me hard: Virtua Tennis 3 was top spin 3 despite his arcade character clearly superior. Since it's hard to keep up the top spin flags hardcore fanboy. Since turns the preview version in our drive there but no stopping more: Top Spin is back and could simply be the tennis simulation shown Constitution! The atmosphere on the square is superb, the pros are almost indistinguishable from their counterparts and the ball beautifully dynamic. Despite the simplified control and elimination of risk shots always tactical refinements are possible and important. Deadly balls must herausgespielt, rather than alone by a correct button to retrieve. About the hitherto completely unknown career is naturally a huge question mark over the scope of the online, move support and the full Wii Edition as well. What we've seen so far makes top spin 4 However, a strong source of hope

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Ts4 is without Risk because is a Simulation :D

It is enough the short tapping a button at the right moment and already placed shots in the corners or just behind the net land. For a stop to be the right shoulder button learned in addition - the last vestige of a trademark of the series, the risk shots. And whose removal is amazingly good Dynamics! Because now the correct position and the exact timing revolves around. Diverse, dynamic ball instead verkopfter gameplay mechanics: This distinguishes this adult simulation.

I think many Tennis and TS3 Fans have write 2K and want not have Risk by TS4 is a Simulation and not Arcade Game...great :wink:
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Postby Hamburgerboy27 » Fri, 21 Jan 2011 11:34

And read this :

Deadly balls must herausgespielt, rather than alone by a correct button to retrieve.

NICE :wink:
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Postby Hamburgerboy27 » Fri, 21 Jan 2011 11:36

GOA MASTER MDMA wrote:sorry ,but thats complete bull **** .
all what you wrote is wrong .

i have not the nerves to go deeper inside .



Some good ITST Players think the same...you can read this in some Forums :wink:

And in some Internet Forums RISK is only by ITST great and good too Win Matches without lower talented...sorry
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