ITST opens doors to SIM Tour (Rules included)

[reconskillsxx]

Guys, forehand power slices are "cheese-based" rule. That doesn't meant "not allowed", it means "do not abuse".

Using Forehand slices to generate points for example would be cheese. But accidentally charging the slice on the run on defense - no problem. ...of course if you constantly on defense charge your slices it is cheesy. There is no need to charge if you know you are on defense and running, a well timed control slice is your "squash shot" on defense....or you can attempt to counter with flat.

I mean, it is rather clear to me. Maybe its me, but I rarely get caught with FH power slice, maybe 1-3 times a match. Before I press any button, I look for a direction of the ball. If this is a FH - then I hit top spin or flat, if this is a BH - slice or top spin or flat.

I think for any real tennis fan it is simply needless to explain that when you have time you should not power up your forehand slice for a winner

...as well as the fact that in tennis you react, rather then predict. Works in real life - works in TS4. Try it


Control is your rally shot, power is your put-away shot. Follow this rule and you will not hit a single forehand slice, unless you consciously choose to do so.

That is exactly right

[L Sanchez MD]

...as well as the fact that in tennis you react, rather then predict. Works in real life - works in TS4. Try it Wink

Not to be argumentative, or contrarian, but in real tennis (or badminton), I mix reacting with a LOT of predicting. It's obviously not the same in real life, because you don't pre-press a button for your forehand but there is always an element of predicting, at least for me.
A good example of predicting in TS4 is when rushing the net.... guessing/predicting where he will hit the pass. Of course you react as well, but a good net player always predicts the most likely pass.

I agree about the other stuff - control shots are much better when you're on the run / defense.

[djarvik]

...as well as the fact that in tennis you react, rather then predict. Works in real life - works in TS4. Try it Wink

Not to be argumentative, or contrarian, but in real tennis (or badminton), I mix reacting with a LOT of predicting. It's obviously not the same in real life, because you don't pre-press a button for your forehand but there is always an element of predicting, at least for me.
A good example of predicting in TS4 is when rushing the net.... guessing/predicting where he will hit the pass. Of course you react as well, but a good net player always predicts the most likely pass.

I agree about the other stuff - control shots are much better when you're on the run / defense.

There is a HUGE difference between predicting and anticipating.

Predicting would be putting the racket up behind your back waiting for a smash - only to receive a low sliding slice shot. Anticipating would be moving in inside the court a few steps after a well placed shot, anticipating a weak response.

Predicting = committing.

Anticipating = being ready.

[L Sanchez MD]

...as well as the fact that in tennis you react, rather then predict. Works in real life - works in TS4. Try it Wink

Not to be argumentative, or contrarian, but in real tennis (or badminton), I mix reacting with a LOT of predicting. It's obviously not the same in real life, because you don't pre-press a button for your forehand but there is always an element of predicting, at least for me.
A good example of predicting in TS4 is when rushing the net.... guessing/predicting where he will hit the pass. Of course you react as well, but a good net player always predicts the most likely pass.

I agree about the other stuff - control shots are much better when you're on the run / defense.

There is a HUGE difference between predicting and anticipating.

Predicting would be putting the racket up behind your back waiting for a smash - only to receive a low sliding slice shot. Anticipating would be moving in inside the court a few steps after a well placed shot, anticipating a weak response.

Predicting = committing.

Anticipating = being ready.

Semantic difference then - obviously what I mean is 'anticipating', but the difference between the two words is not clear cut in everyday life.

[djarvik]

True.

So pre-pressing a shot in TS4 is predicting.

Moving in to the right position and being ready to select the right shot after opponent makes his shot - anticipating.

Either way you slice it, pre-pressing is kinda wrong. This is a video game and hence it is available altogether. But that doesn't mean we cannot avoid it. In fact, I think avoiding it makes for a better player. Simply because there are more options available to you.

[Rob ITST]

I don't call it predicting, I call it guessing.

[jayl0ve]

I don't know about that.

I agree with djarvik that NOT pre-pressing does indeed make you a better player. I went through a period where I think I was 100x a WORSE player, but I got used to not pre-pressing and I genuinely think I'm a better player now.

However I don't think it's some kind of moral or ethical thing I think it's just a personal choice. I still pre-press if I know I'm gonna get a weak ball and don't tell me I'm guessing, because I'm almost never wrong- I almost never think "Man I wish I would have hit a slice there", or whatever...

[Rob ITST]

I'm just saying that there's a fine line between anticipating and out-right guessing.

[L Sanchez MD]

I'm just saying that there's a fine line between anticipating and out-right guessing.

Anticipating *is* guessing (since we can't predict the future), but it's educated guessing.
Out-right guessing is different, when there's no 'educated' part. Something like, when you're on the baseline and the opponent is lining up an inside-out or inside-in FH, and you just pick a side and run. Happens on TS as well as IRL of course.

[emate007]

There is a HUGE difference between predicting and anticipating.

Damn, I wanted to be the first person to give you **** about this statement.
Although, the replies were fairly tame...

[RainingAmoeba79]

well this has gotten wierd.....

I usually do not prepress, except sometimes with my OFB.

[Rob ITST]

I'm just saying that there's a fine line between anticipating and out-right guessing.

Anticipating *is* guessing (since we can't predict the future), but it's educated guessing.
Out-right guessing is different, when there's no 'educated' part. Something like, when you're on the baseline and the opponent is lining up an inside-out or inside-in FH, and you just pick a side and run. Happens on TS as well as IRL of course.

Exactly. I'd also say that when you anticipate, you give yourself some room to be wrong - you might move towards the backhand side, but not so far that you could not run down a forehand. When you guess, you just run to the backhand and hope you're right.

[djarvik]

There is a HUGE difference between guess and educated guess

I think you know exactly what I meant, just decided to bust my chops.


We are not talking about guessing direction, we are talking about shots here. You "pick" your sots. You dont guess them. Pre-pressing = guessing.


Blah!

[djarvik]

New Feature:

Change SIM Player. You are now able to change your SIM player before the draw is out. On the tournament page in the right upper corner (where the host of the tournament is listed) you can find a link to do so. Once the draw is created you can no longer switch a player.

[RainingAmoeba79]

awesome! I like that there is no scouting, and that you ccan not choose your guy based on your opponent!