TS4 Cheese Statement (Fair Play at the ITST)

[Pyrros-Dimas_85]

I think the power should be limited with 86-90 max. because its very dificult and bored play with players two strokes wins the point, for example players with 98 power and 98 service

you are create too many rules,in this way there is no freedom to play.

[G-Keldorn]

Try to play with one player 98 power 98 service, but one player good, then you see are very hard and imposible win for you

[Pyrros-Dimas_85]

Try to play with one player 98 power 98 service, but one player good, then you see are very hard and imposible win for you

sometimes i lose but sometimes i win,its normal;you cant make a limit only when you lose;i lose many time but i dont say "hey banned CICCIO because he is too strong",this is not fairplay.
ps.if you remember the last time i lose with you in world tour and maybe i sayed that you was a glitcher o something else?no,i lost....finish.

[G-Keldorn]

I dont lose with any player 98 power and 98 service, I only say this much power is unreal, I think it just a limitation, is forbidden to abuse the drop shot and defensive monster no?? or Is it because I lost with them too?

[Pyrros-Dimas_85]

I dont lose with any player 98 power and 98 service, I only say this much power is unreal, I think it just a limitation, is forbidden to abuse the drop shot and defensive monster no?? or Is it because I lost with them too?

look ivo karlovic vs federer.....this is unreal?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IY7XAhFgtZM

for drop shot look tsonga vs djokovic......its unreal?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvC_72rPXlE

[Pyrros-Dimas_85]

For me (imho) it doesn't exist a rules in a top spin:if you want choose a player with 98 power and 98 service you can;serve 100 and volley 100?ok;slice and drop everytime?ok;this is fairplay.

[G-Keldorn]

Karlovic is not in the race and put guns to the line, moreover, that neither does it all, you can not compare, comparing it give me more reason to me is not real

[supinesmokey13]

For me (imho) it doesn't exist a rules in a top spin:if you want choose a player with 98 power and 98 service you can;serve 100 and volley 100?ok;slice and drop everytime?ok;this is fairplay.

no that isn't fair play that is just abusing flaws in the game .and yes novak uses drop shots but not on every point because in real tennis generally the more you use the drop shot, the less effective it becomes.

im not surprised by your comments you dont seem to understand what ITST is about and that is fairplay just because someone uses 98 power and serve doesn't make it fair. all your doing is trying to win at any cost .

here on ITST people want compete in a fun and fair environment. if you wish to abuse power and the serve then this isn't the place for you . the world is the place for there a rules here and if you dont want to follow them why come here

[supinesmokey13]

For me (imho) it doesn't exist a rules in a top spin:if you want choose a player with 98 power and 98 service you can;serve 100 and volley 100?ok;slice and drop everytime?ok;this is fairplay.

ITST Member:

As you may or may not know, "cheesy" is a term used to describe a style of play that most players consider to be unfair. The style takes advantage of the games limitations, making it completely unrealistic compared to real life tennis. I will list some examples at the end of this post to clarify this.

The main point is, cheesy tactics are used in an attempt to gain a cheap and easy win. The ITST is a place where like-minded players get together and compete. It is a safe place where our members play fairly. We are all here to enjoy the structure the ITST provides and to enjoy the friendly community that has been established here for many years. If we do not ask our members to abstain from using certain tactics our tour will offer no advantage over the World Tour.

We have always resisted the temptation to place restrictions on the type of shot(s) that can be played during ITST matches. We've done this to allow a variety of playing styles to be present on the tour so everyone can enjoy the game to its fullest.

That said, there are universal "unwritten" rules concerning "cheesy" play. We've never had to make firm rules because the ITST community respects their existence. They involve playing fairly and not using the known "cheesy" tactics that lessen this game. With the release of Top Spin 4 we have seen a big number of new players emerging. This is putting pressure on our core values and understanding of these “unwritten” rules within the community.

We are proud to say that the majority of our community (including many of the new players) already follows this ethos closely, but if you are someone who doesn't, consider yourself warned: "cheesy" play in ITST matches is never tolerated.

If you are uncertain whether your style of play is considered "cheesy", then simply ask the question in the Forum, or contact an ITST manager.

Also, if you encounter tactics in an ITST match that you consider "cheesy", don't keep it to yourself. Contact the tournament host and/or manager immediately. Only by speaking up can we rid the tour of any and all unfair play. Only by virtue of your feedback can we identify and relate to these tactics.

Below is a list of tactics that are considered cheesy by a majority of the community. This list is by far not complete. Listing everything is just not doable nor would we be able to foresee every cheesy tactic that emerges. This means that we could warn players about other tactics as well. The ITST management will use its best judgment to determine what is considered cheesy and what is not, as it has been doing for years with great success.

The List:

Continuously playing drop shots or drop volleys. This tactic seems to be used a lot in futures and challengers lately. Especially new and fair players should not have such a first experience with ITST. Saying that you have to use this tactic because it is a coach skill is not an excuse. You can still play to the strength of your coach by occasionally using the drop shot. We can’t say what too many drop shots are unfortunately. Try keeping it realistic. When you have pushed back your opponent in a rally it is the perfect moment to hit a drop shot. If you want to know what is realistic, try watching some real life tennis matches, note when and how often drop shots are used.

Using the return glitch. There is a return possible where the server has no option other than to run backwards after this return. We see this as a glitch that should not be exploited at any time.

Tramline serves. Moving your player out wide for serving is considered cheesy and should not be done. Throughout the match, your player also moves towards the forehand side. It is a good practice to move your player one step back to the middle of the court at least once a set, or whenever you notice he has moved towards the tramlines.

Regards,

The ITST Team

P.S. Please understand, this post is not a discussion, rather an announcement and show of intent. We are here to lookout for the best interest of ITST as a community and organization. Make an attempt to look past the "game" title on the box and try to understand what makes the sport Tennis fun for so many fans around the world!

[G-Keldorn]

amazing supinesmokey!!! I want power limitation!!lol

[Pyrros-Dimas_85]

For me (imho) it doesn't exist a rules in a top spin:if you want choose a player with 98 power and 98 service you can;serve 100 and volley 100?ok;slice and drop everytime?ok;this is fairplay.

no that isn't fair play that is just abusing flaws in the game .and yes novak uses drop shots but not on every point because in real tennis generally the more you use the drop shot, the less effective it becomes.

im not surprised by your comments you dont seem to understand what ITST is about and that is fairplay just because someone uses 98 power and serve doesn't make it fair. all your doing is trying to win at any cost .

here on ITST people want compete in a fun and fair environment. if you wish to abuse power and the serve then this isn't the place for you . the world is the place for there a rules here and if you dont want to follow them why come here

For dropshot I was talking about Tsonga and not djokovic,and i don use a power 98 and serve 98,so i dont have interesting to defend the position of this player but im very happy if i can play with "Different" player with "Different" ability,so whatever you want.
ps.now you limited the power,then you limited the speed and then velocity....in the end? we will play with the same player?you will fun in this way?seriuosly but this situation its ridiculous

[supinesmokey13]

For me (imho) it doesn't exist a rules in a top spin:if you want choose a player with 98 power and 98 service you can;serve 100 and volley 100?ok;slice and drop everytime?ok;this is fairplay.

no that isn't fair play that is just abusing flaws in the game .and yes novak uses drop shots but not on every point because in real tennis generally the more you use the drop shot, the less effective it becomes.

im not surprised by your comments you dont seem to understand what ITST is about and that is fairplay just because someone uses 98 power and serve doesn't make it fair. all your doing is trying to win at any cost .

here on ITST people want compete in a fun and fair environment. if you wish to abuse power and the serve then this isn't the place for you . the world is the place for there a rules here and if you dont want to follow them why come here

For dropshot I was talking about Tsonga and not djokovic,and i don use a power 98 and serve 98,so i dont have interesting to defend the position of this player but im very happy if i can play with "Different" player with "Different" ability,so whatever you want.
ps.now you limited the power,then you limited the speed and then velocity....in the end? we will play with the same player?you will fun in this way?seriuosly but this situation its ridiculous

it's the same thong with drop-shots if you want to abuse them dont do it here there are rules for that to. doing so is seen as cheesy if want to do that do so on the world tour don't bring that mentality here we dont like it nor want it

and no one wants you to use the same player as them they just want you to be fair and not abuse mistakes in the game. again i will post the rules on cheesy for you to read.

ITST Member:

As you may or may not know, "cheesy" is a term used to describe a style of play that most players consider to be unfair. The style takes advantage of the games limitations, making it completely unrealistic compared to real life tennis. I will list some examples at the end of this post to clarify this.

The main point is, cheesy tactics are used in an attempt to gain a cheap and easy win. The ITST is a place where like-minded players get together and compete. It is a safe place where our members play fairly. We are all here to enjoy the structure the ITST provides and to enjoy the friendly community that has been established here for many years. If we do not ask our members to abstain from using certain tactics our tour will offer no advantage over the World Tour.

We have always resisted the temptation to place restrictions on the type of shot(s) that can be played during ITST matches. We've done this to allow a variety of playing styles to be present on the tour so everyone can enjoy the game to its fullest.

That said, there are universal "unwritten" rules concerning "cheesy" play. We've never had to make firm rules because the ITST community respects their existence. They involve playing fairly and not using the known "cheesy" tactics that lessen this game. With the release of Top Spin 4 we have seen a big number of new players emerging. This is putting pressure on our core values and understanding of these “unwritten” rules within the community.

We are proud to say that the majority of our community (including many of the new players) already follows this ethos closely, but if you are someone who doesn't, consider yourself warned: "cheesy" play in ITST matches is never tolerated.

If you are uncertain whether your style of play is considered "cheesy", then simply ask the question in the Forum, or contact an ITST manager.

Also, if you encounter tactics in an ITST match that you consider "cheesy", don't keep it to yourself. Contact the tournament host and/or manager immediately. Only by speaking up can we rid the tour of any and all unfair play. Only by virtue of your feedback can we identify and relate to these tactics.

Below is a list of tactics that are considered cheesy by a majority of the community. This list is by far not complete. Listing everything is just not doable nor would we be able to foresee every cheesy tactic that emerges. This means that we could warn players about other tactics as well. The ITST management will use its best judgment to determine what is considered cheesy and what is not, as it has been doing for years with great success.

The List:

Continuously playing drop shots or drop volleys. This tactic seems to be used a lot in futures and challengers lately. Especially new and fair players should not have such a first experience with ITST. Saying that you have to use this tactic because it is a coach skill is not an excuse. You can still play to the strength of your coach by occasionally using the drop shot. We can’t say what too many drop shots are unfortunately. Try keeping it realistic. When you have pushed back your opponent in a rally it is the perfect moment to hit a drop shot. If you want to know what is realistic, try watching some real life tennis matches, note when and how often drop shots are used.

Using the return glitch. There is a return possible where the server has no option other than to run backwards after this return. We see this as a glitch that should not be exploited at any time.

Tramline serves. Moving your player out wide for serving is considered cheesy and should not be done. Throughout the match, your player also moves towards the forehand side. It is a good practice to move your player one step back to the middle of the court at least once a set, or whenever you notice he has moved towards the tramlines.

Regards,

The ITST Team

P.S. Please understand, this post is not a discussion, rather an announcement and show of intent. We are here to lookout for the best interest of ITST as a community and organization. Make an attempt to look past the "game" title on the box and try to understand what makes the sport Tennis fun for so many fans around the world!

[G-Keldorn]

mate dont compare the velocity with power, is ridiculous lol!! if you have 100 velocity dont arrive one ball with 100 power the other side of the court.

[I_Zooloo_I]

capping some stats at 90 would not destroy variety in the game, would just make it look more realistic

[G-Keldorn]

capping some stats at 90 would not destroy variety in the game, would just make it look more realistic

exactly, I think it might be good