ITST adopts new set of rules

[Tuurbine]

I see no point in arguing right now about what else had to be done other than banning PJQ and the other coaches on the ban list, because its really to early to tell. Lets give this new rules time to mature and develop and see what is the trend for it, who will be the new power coach, if it becomes really unbalanced or not, the only thing we know for sure is that new things will beging to appear as the new rules set in, its completly normal.

Well, I am new in the ITST, I guess I am one of the least informed users around here of what has happened before in the past, but I have seen this kind of behaviour before in other activities and the trend is always the same. People push for a change, and when the change is done, people will push more for the fine tuning the new changes... but before fine tuning we must learn how the new tuning is working... and then the fine tuning is done.

Cheers for the new rules

Well said. Welcome to the club!

Thanks

[Crotatsuya]

No no no, I edited it out because the formulation was too general.
What I'm saying only affects THIS game, nothing else.

You compare it with TS 3 way too much and seem to ignore that this game is completely different in terms of gameplay. That is the mistake you make and that is why I seem to be the troll around here, I just want you to wake up and see the game for what it is.

I don't even know why I'm writing this again, but you must think in a gamers way to understand this. I don't find the older post about this but to cut it short: To truly balance this out you must consider all coaches from the same "Tier" (coaches of equal strength, provided they are in the right hands), ban them all and make room for the next "Tier" of coaches.

What you did now was banning PJQ (completely understandable, since she is practically unmatched) who sits alone in the top "Tier" and is virtually unbeatable if used right. Banning her gives room to a second "Tier" of coaches that are more or less on the same level and can beat each other. Problem is, you only banned a few of them, while leaving the others in the game, providing another imbalance that changes nothing, merely delaying it in a way until unaware people find out about them.
I wont point them out, for I do not intend to ruin your day entirely.
What doesn't make sense is banning skills for the skills sake, since that is not what will solve the problem at all, only temporally result in a psychologically enhanced gameplay experience for some users. That is until they get crushed by one of those builds I mentioned, the same way PJQ did before. You could prevent that if you'd just listen to me for once, I mean you no harm for gods sake, I wouldn't mind a balanced game myself.

What people really should accept is, that this game will never be a true tennis SIM, since its gameplay is built around fast and short angled rallies without risk and easy mistakes. That's just the way it is, and nobody should give in to the illusion that any rule is able to change this. 2k is the only instance that can.

That was the last post from me concerning this topic, should anyone actually care for my advice just PM me.

[Boruzze]

am i still allowed to take a pro player with MD or TI skill ?

[oshiee]

No no no, I edited it out because the formulation was too general.
What I'm saying only affects THIS game, nothing else.

You compare it with TS 3 way too much and seem to ignore that this game is completely different in terms of gameplay. That is the mistake you make and that is why I seem to be the troll around here, I just want you to wake up and see the game for what it is.

I don't even know why I'm writing this again, but you must think in a gamers way to understand this. I don't find the older post about this but to cut it short: To truly balance this out you must consider all coaches from the same "Tier" (coaches of equal strength, provided they are in the right hands), ban them all and make room for the next "Tier" of coaches.

What you did now was banning PJQ (completely understandable, since she is practically unmatched) who sits alone in the top "Tier" and is virtually unbeatable if used right. Banning her gives room to a second "Tier" of coaches that are more or less on the same level and can beat each other. Problem is, you only banned a few of them, while leaving the others in the game, providing another imbalance that changes nothing, merely delaying it in a way until unaware people find out about them.
I wont point them out, for I do not intend to ruin your day entirely.
What doesn't make sense is banning skills for the skills sake, since that is not what will solve the problem at all, only temporally result in a psychologically enhanced gameplay experience for some users. That is until they get crushed by one of those builds I mentioned, the same way PJQ did before. You could prevent that if you'd just listen to me for once, I mean you no harm for gods sake, I wouldn't mind a balanced game myself.

What people really should accept is, that this game will never be a true tennis SIM, since its gameplay is built around fast and short angled rallies without risk and easy mistakes. That's just the way it is, and nobody should give in to the illusion that any rule is able to change this. 2k is the only instance that can.

That was the last post from me concerning this topic, should anyone actually care for my advice just PM me.

Exactly. People need to stop with this tennis sim nonsense. It is almost impossible to make a realistic tennis sim game. The important thing is balance, something the top spin devs have never come close to achieving. People want to be able to play the build they like and still feel as though they can compete fairly with other builds. I still miss risk. I hate how neutered power is in this game but whatever people complained so much and now it's totally gone. I just wish the devs let people play offline however they want and then online create some sort of system that balances all the builds.

[MINNESOT AS]

SO JUST TO BE CLEAR: in roland garros someone can still use a character with TOP SPIN INVASION / LONGER BETTER as a skill set for example??
isn't that a bit much as well, or did i misunderstand?

[SlicerITST]

am i still allowed to take a pro player with MD or TI skill ?

No. You cannot take a pro player at all for ITST matches. You need to create your own players.

[AUSSIE_FABS]

This banning makes me think of this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUH1H-b-N5o
Also this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh2sWSVRrmo

Gone to far I say, too far. Also why wasn't there like a vote or poll or something big, we could vote on. I swear this will be more harmful to itst, as going to have to go even further to fix new problems...

[supinesmokey13]

This banning makes me think of this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUH1H-b-N5o
Also this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh2sWSVRrmo

Gone to far I say, too far. Also why wasn't there like a vote or poll or something big, we could vote on. I swear this will be more harmful to itst, as going to have to go even further to fix new problems...

the rules are no TI/MD or any coaches with monster defense and there was a vote PJQ and it was practically unanimous that it should be banned

[Tuurbine]

Also why wasn't there like a vote or poll or something big, we could vote on. I swear this will be more harmful to itst, as going to have to go even further to fix new problems...

http://intertopspintour.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14827
Thats the link for the poll that was made.

[xMFHxMataiiBANNED]

Also why wasn't there like a vote or poll or something big, we could vote on. I swear this will be more harmful to itst, as going to have to go even further to fix new problems...

http://intertopspintour.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14827
Thats the link for the poll that was made.

Yea but thats for one and we all understand to appease the masses its ok but.. so far we're four and counting..

Peto Chesire
Jon Samala
Pei Jinq Quah
Aja Golakov

I understand if Samala gets the ban with Pei if hes the counter setup, not sure why the others were included though.. someone mentioned some slice 'cheese' tactic.. Could he PM me what that is exactly because I don't know it at the moment..

[Tuurbine]

I understand if Samala gets the ban with Pei if hes the counter setup, not sure why the others were included though.. someone mentioned some slice 'cheese' tactic.. Could he PM me what that is exactly because I don't know it at the moment..

The others were included because the ban was not only for coaches but for the skills those coaches offered. The other coaches had or Top Spin Invasion, or monster defense also...

[Saarbrigga]

SO JUST TO BE CLEAR: in roland garros someone can still use a character with TOP SPIN INVASION / LONGER BETTER as a skill set for example??
isn't that a bit much as well, or did i misunderstand?

i hope you are wrong... the MD/TI should end now and not be used at RG.

[Chederer]

Starting at Roland Garros you will no longer be allowed to use any coach that has the Monster Defense skill. On top of that you will not be allowed to use Peto Chesire as a coach and his Top Spin Invasion / Poisoned Slice skill set.

The coaches that fall into this category are:

Peto Chesire
Jon Samala
Pei Jinq Quah
Aja Golakov

[Muzzy7]

To be honest I don't see how these restrictions are gona change much, if you ask me you need to put a cap on certain stats including Power and BH and FH.

I suppose only time will tell

[Hawkeye Miihawk]

To be honest I don't see how these restrictions are gona change much, if you ask me you need to put a cap on certain stats including Power and BH and FH.

I suppose only time will tell

That's what the rule test tournaments are for. Since we're still in the process of testing rules for the normal tour, the banning of these coaches will have to do for now.