Rule Test Tournament #1

[AMAZING ZIZOU]

hey baghdad id love to play you with your so called "sim rules" guaranteed i still beat you...u thinking i win just because of a TI/MD setup is hilarious to me........

i lost because i went in with an absolute terrible setup, thats how...but message me sometime and we will see if im only good because of this overpowered TI/MD....

what a joke

HAHAHAHAHA I can't beleive it !!! Can't stop laughing.... Don't need to justify your self. You're a good player, no doubt (your ranking talks), but not good enough without Pei, that's all.

And when you write "therefore i need a higgh forehand/backhand, and high power...." please note that you're not the only one who needs 89 & 79 to hit god shoots, we all do....

And I'll end with the sentence "however with these new rules, it is very hard to find a setup that gives u high attributes in all 3 categories" : there isn't any, that's why this coach is so good.

[Puttu puttuu]

in relation to fair setups...

Played a stunning match against Thecooler... we both had fair setups with strengths and weaknesses - loads of well thought out rallies l with buckets of momentum changes.

The match lasted 1h 5 minutes... I won 6-3 6-2

Heck I mean my final against berson lasted 40 minutes and the score was 4 6 76 64 ... when the same pattern of play is played over and over again ... time flies by

Regarding the patch... yeah ok it has sorted all movement issues...but it still hasn't sorted that the whole TI MD thing ! Can something be done please !

puttu puttu i dont think many people will want to play a 2 set match that lasts an hour...u know how much it is going to suck to play a 5 set match that takes roughly 2 1/2 hours????? IM SO PUMPED FOR 50 BALL RALLIES

Nah you are right .. I rather play 7 minute sets

[Puttu puttuu]

@ Holla

I don't understand your argument about playing 50 + rallies... try other setups and you'll see that you can still create offensive that don't piss around the court !

[Hollaa Itz Mike]

@ Holla

I don't understand your argument about playing 50 + rallies... try other setups and you'll see that you can still create offensive that don't piss around the court !

so there arent 50 ball rallies but your 2 set match that was 6-2, 6-3 lasted 1 hour and 5 minutes?....so what there are just like 20 ball rallies every single point?

AWESOME

cant wait to play some "realistic tennis" when rallies last 20 shots!!! LMAO

[Hollaa Itz Mike]

a "sim tour" in topspin 3 was realistic because risk shots were present...this isnt the case in topspin 4...

so when u make players less powerful, and they dont have risk shots at their disposal to attack, you ARE without a doubt giving defensive baseliners an advantage...

and what you guys dont understand is that there is still going to be 1 setup that is the best....even if u make new rules there is going to be 1 setup that is better and most ppl will use it....

and then u will have ppl like baghdad or hawkeye and puttu who continue to whine until theres a new rule and so on and so on...

the game developers fixed the serving in the game because it was absolutely overpowered...they have even come out with a second patch fixing other things, but the TI/MD was not one of them.... so maybe they agree with me in thinking that u guys are completely wrong on this

@Zizou
your funny

[Baghdad Baghdatis]

hey baghdad id love to play you with your so called "sim rules" guaranteed i still beat you...u thinking i win just because of a TI/MD setup is hilarious to me........

i lost because i went in with an absolute terrible setup, thats how...but message me sometime and we will see if im only good because of this overpowered TI/MD....

what a joke

Hmmm this is pretty rich man. First of all my comment was the tip of the iceberg in that I have been biting my tongue to not say anything about your initial post and loss over Dionl.

If you want my honest opinion (well I am going to give it anyway) is that you have to be one of the most ungracious champions I have ever come across. You have quite happily been slapping the ball around in TI/MD and not really battered an eyelid. The moment a "Test Tournament" comes out which by the way was a result of a good majority of this site wanting a shake up, you enter, knowing the trial restrictions and then whine lilke a baby who has just had his Chuppa Chups lolly taken off him?

You mentioned your power set up of 69 being no match for an 86 power, a load of garbage is that statement. I have played multiple players with 86/87 power and I have had good success using my 68 power player. You are most likely so used to nailing TI/MD that you have become dependent on it in tournaments. Don't get me wrong, you are a fine player, there is no question of that Holla but there is a whole wide world out there of other nice coach setups which need experimenting.

As Dynushi & Hawkeye quite accurately stated why should the bulk of the tour resort to finding ONE setup to counter TI/MD - dull. Also as they mentioned and I share their sentiments in that ITST is about many things including differentiation from the World Tour. Who really wants to play ITST tournaments with no restrictions or caps - man if I wanted this I would not play ITST but more the World Tour and not waste my time playing 3 x 6 sets matches when I can play 3 x 3 set matches and play a family of TI/MD mutants

I appreciate that my comment may of been a bit of a low blow, and for that I apologize, I just found it "interesting" that both you and Oui MrBerson were beaten quite convincingly in probably your first ever non-TI/MD match. I did not question your ability - I guess adapting is what may be required. Also the outputs of this may be a SIM tour further down the line which means you can hug your TI/MD for ever longer for all I care but changes have to be experimented somewhere and thus the "Test Tournament". The way you feel about losing to an 86 power player in this tourney and feeling robbed is no different to the way other guys who play you with non-TI/MD vs your TI/MD feel so you are just gonna have to live with that one man.

On your direct post to me I don't know what you are talking about with my "SIM rules". As far as I am aware there are no SIM rules? Granted I like nice SIM matches but the test tournament is a mile away from SIM so don't know what you were getting at. Although whilst I have nothing to prove against you I would be more than happy to step up to your challenge of playing you with these phantom "SIM rules". I guess at this stage the only rule which would be nice to put in place would be power 69 or less and no TI-MD. My challenge back to you is that IF we meet in the Madrid Masters or the Internazionali BNL d Italia Masters then on both occasions use this setup, if you are confident that is?

Don't get me wrong I have never claimed to be bigger than anyone on the TS4 tour, especially not you, so my acceptance of your challenge is not that I am confident I would win but more curious to see how you fair.

HOLLLLAAAAAAA itz Baggy!!!!

[djarvik]

@ Holla

I don't understand your argument about playing 50 + rallies... try other setups and you'll see that you can still create offensive that don't piss around the court !

so there arent 50 ball rallies but your 2 set match that was 6-2, 6-3 lasted 1 hour and 5 minutes?....so what there are just like 20 ball rallies every single point?

AWESOME

cant wait to play some "realistic tennis" when rallies last 20 shots!!! LMAO

I think Puttu said in that thread that momentum changes were responsible for a long match. He mentioned that the setups were close to each other in effectiveness and it resulted in a more fun match. To me that doesn't mean the points are long, to me it means that the match was close with both players feeling pressure to close out their service games.

I honestly never experienced 50 ball rallies. The most I think I had was about 24....and that is only a few times a match. Most points ARE long, I agree with you there, but the average I would place at around 8-9 balls.

[Hawkeye Miihawk]

Lol, I just realized that I put 89fh for the character I used. My bad, he has 80fh.

No one is saying you are a bad player mike. Players of all types use TI/MD. What we're saying is that it gives you an unfair advantage against those who don't use it.
You can create offensive baseliners don't have such high stats, coupled with TI/MD which further improve on your character's already great baseline game.

[Chederer]

wow...ive never seen a #1 player so cocky; and so much disrespect for the #1 player

[Hollaa Itz Mike]

[Hollaa Itz Mike]

"First of all my comment was the tip of the iceberg in that I have been biting my tongue to not say anything about your initial post" - Baghdad

i think u have been biting your tongue ever since we played in the Grand Prix Hassan Final.

[Baghdad Baghdatis]

Don't flatter yourself Holla, whats our final got to do with the price of bread


As expected a very forgotable response from you, I love the way you avoided to respond to any of my proposals. I think the lesson may be don't cry like a baby if you don't like others raining on your parade

[Moralspain]

[brazegoesmoo]

moo

[tigerofintegrity]

@Hollaa

I really don't know why you're going on about '50+ ball rallies'. I've played with all sorts of builds and I'd say the average number of shots in a rally for me is 10 or less. If you're averaging 50 shots rallies, well actually then I applaud you cos your defense must be pretty impressive to keep rallies going on for so long all the time.

I do agree with Baghdad as well. I mean, you lose once and then you start complaining about the game? At least the TI/MD defense haters lost loads of times before they started to go down that road! It's a loss, not the end of the world. If it didn't work out then go experiment with other types and see how they compare.

You were probably too complacent because of your constant winning and didn't think you need to do anything special with the new rules to continue the same success. Just go train more with other types so you can master them too. Like I've always said, the true top guns will always be the top guns after all these small rule changes.