something should be done , this tour is dying

[zaid137]

hey guys ,
actually we all talked about that , but with all do respect nothing is being done by the admins to save this TS4 tour ,

in my opinion since the number of players decreased soo much (around 20-25) , we should do something about .

i believe as so many others allowing all the coach will make a big difference , with keeping the rule of one grey stat above 42 .

more variety more players ... it goes back to normal .

last year AO had around 90 players while now stuck on 25 every time i check it lol .

and 2nd point , all the guys who are playing this game and playing the WT , please try to promote the ITST as much as u can , i play alot of good players on WT and always ask them to join .
hope you got my point .

regards .

[BluudyEEfingaz]

Highly unlikely that anything will be done...I don't think any of the hosts/management plays TS4 anymore so it's like a hopeless cause to try and recruit or even make topics like this. The problem is that the people who still play, play it VERY well. The top players, especially! This, at times can be frustrating to any new player or any existing lower ranked player. There are not enough challenger tournaments to keep interest for the players who seemingly have been left behind. If you're ranked outside the top 10 or 15 here...it's usually easy wins in straight sets. No one wants to compete against that every tournament. We have so many new players that sign up but the fact is...they usually don't cut it here...at least not the first season...which in a year...who wants to have a 0-30 record? There should be something set aside for these players to keep their interest. More challengers, allowing all coaches...revising the modifications as the people they were modified for...most of them are no longer playing.

[Daxter1975]

Here my re-Post:

I think that the tournaments are not more funny for guys like me.

The number of players in a tournament are very low. That means, that you have to play every time against the same "freaks" which are unable to beat.

Where is the fun, when you play in every tournament in first or second round against BigBrushed, Sebastianhu, Sorauze and other Top 10 Players.
(in my last 10 Macthes i must play 4 times against sorauze and 2 time against BigBrushed. With many luck a player like me can win 1 Game in a tournament and than it´s over)
Look at the Top 10. The most Players have played 30 Tournaments 2012 or more. Sorauze have played 41 (!).
So, nearly in every Tournament a 30-100 Player must play against these good players.

I think, if a Player like Philip Kohlschreiber in every ATP Match must play against Murray, Dijokovic, Nadal or Federer, he really fast retire from Tennis, because it is not funny to loose every match and have no chance to play against guys on the same level like you.

So, if ITST will not die, it´s really important to chance rules.

- Players under Ranking 15 can use every coach with every setting
- TOP 15 Players can only play 20 Tournaments in the year (or no tournaments in the 250 Class)
- use Handicap´s. If a TOP Player will play a 250 or 500 Tournament, he musst play with an bad setting & coach (because i will never (!) win against Fifa or Sho. So it´s indifferent if i play against him or give him an walkover)
- in MSS let the best players not play with Nadal, Federer, Agassi, Borg. Or let them play these Players at Semifinal.

And hear the problems of the players. The S&V Players like iCall and me say since months that it´s completely impossible to win against good guys, which plays a lot of Lobs. But it change nothing. So it´s not a question if the S&V players will quit ITST or not. It´s only a question of time when they quit...

[Fieldclan6]

Hi guys, I'm new to the tour and so far won 5 lost 0 without dropping a set I also beat sorauze quite easily yesterday in QF 62 63 I do like playing on itst I like everyone's different variety if play and I hate playing s&v's

[Cro Morgan]

something should be done , this tour is dying

The game/tour is following a natural progression. There is only so much you can do. You can change the rules, sure, but the results won't satisfy you, I can pretty much guarantee.

To inject life into the Top Spin tour, what needs to be done is what was successfully done in the past - releasing the next version of the game.

[Sorauze]

I had murray ... You,agassi its normal to beat me ^^

[ICEMAN_9588]

Here my re-Post:


So, if ITST will not die, it´s really important to chance rules.

- Players under Ranking 15 can use every coach with every setting
- TOP 15 Players can only play 20 Tournaments in the year (or no tournaments in the 250 Class)
- use Handicap´s. If a TOP Player will play a 250 or 500 Tournament, he musst play with an bad setting & coach (because i will never (!) win against Fifa or Sho. So it´s indifferent if i play against him or give him an walkover)
- in MSS let the best players not play with Nadal, Federer, Agassi, Borg. Or let them play these Players at Semifinal.

This makes absolutely no sense.

So if you defeat Fifa who's using a bad setting, you can consider yourself satisfied cause you stepped in QF of a 250 tournament?
And if Fifa beats you anyway, what happens later? Will you be finally convinced that he usually wins cause he's a damn good user? It's like forbid Federer to using inside-out forehand...
I'm taking Fifa just as an example, of course.

I prefer to lose 61 61 against Firderis with a normal setting (same as mine) than maybe win against him with a handicap.

But like I said before, I also think there should be a limited number of tournaments that EVERY player can play in a season.
I think this will close TS4 to the real tennis season, and will also force every user to organize their season.

[ICEMAN_9588]

something should be done , this tour is dying

The game/tour is following a natural progression. There is only so much you can do. You can change the rules, sure, but the results won't satisfy you, I can pretty much guarantee.

To inject life into the Top Spin tour, what needs to be done is what was successfully done in the past - releasing the next version of the game.

And when the new version will be released?

[Fieldclan6]

Yes sourauze but then I beat you again didn't I when u had your magnificent djokovic, I'll beat with djokovic too. If you used control shots 15% more mate u would be top 3 I think you wallop the ball to much in my opinion which r easy to handle in my opinion where as control shots go deeper or shorter to the angle an hit the lines. Just my opinion mate.

[Cro Morgan]

something should be done , this tour is dying

The game/tour is following a natural progression. There is only so much you can do. You can change the rules, sure, but the results won't satisfy you, I can pretty much guarantee.

To inject life into the Top Spin tour, what needs to be done is what was successfully done in the past - releasing the next version of the game.

And when the new version will be released?

Not soon, unfortunately. If there is a Top Spin 5, it will likely be a Xbox 720 game. Which means we're looking at another 11-16 months.

[ICEMAN_9588]

So this means we can do absolutely nothing, right?

[BluudyEEfingaz]

I think Daxter was simply reiterating what I was saying...and ICEMAN...you touched on this too. Certain tournaments should only be catered to players outside the top 10 at least...maybe even outside the top 20. This promotes confidence among the players...and they aren't getting absolutely hammered by their opponents. I play Souraze or Sebastianu and I'm ready to throw in the towel immediately after the first few games. I'm sure guys that I've played like bevoaustintx and FeatheredPaper feel the same way about me. I think giving them opportunities to win a few matches and the ability to play the big points would help them play against more experienced players like a bkristian or Wdob with more confidence. We need challenger tournaments to do that. Rule mods maybe, but definitely some tournaments for lower ranked players to get their footing...so to speak.

[BluudyEEfingaz]

For instance at the beginning of this season Brisbane and Medibank should've been the warm up for the top players...the challenger tournaments should have been Apia and Qatar.

[Cro Morgan]

the challenger tournaments should have been Apia and Qatar.

Apia and Qatar aren't challenger tournaments.

To successfully run both a challenger and regular circuit, we really need a minimum of 32 active players (32 have signed up for Oz, prior, only 16 registered for Medibank).

A challenger has been scheduled for January 21st (Heilbronn, Germany 20+). Let's see how that goes.

[BluudyEEfingaz]

Well...we can hope it goes well. Will there be WS challengers as well? As the WS players seem to be quite faithful...