why the number of players in ITST decreased ??

[zaid137]

i have noticed that number of players who are participating in tournaments in MS ,MS pro have decreased incredibly .

tournaments became of 3 rounds max . i hope within a month at the time of australian open we will see many players back here . i see in the ranking there are more than 250 registered players but it seems most of them lost interest in the game . i didnt see shocase playing since the US OPEN . anyways i hope the number will raise again so the fun will increase .

good luck friends .

[C4iLL]

A lot of people have switched to Tennis Elbow, which is a far better tennis game

[BluudyEEfingaz]

The forums here have sucked this game dry of any lasting potential it had of ever surviving amother potential season. I think this game, hands down is the greatest tennis simulated game on the market . It isn't perfect but it easily passes with an A minus when you factor in graphics animations styles of play etc. The problem most people had was how easy some of the shots appeared to be able execute. Then the banning of coaches came...then the banning of power...then started the control shots bandwagon. By then grew the lack of interest to even pick up a controller...you could pretty much guess your opponents' style and strategy by looking at their setup. There was no more variety. I've seen live gameplay of TE and wasn't that impressed so I'm sticking with TS4... but most have transitioned...not because it's superior ....but it allows for modifications to suit a particular need.

[ELTXETXU]

I think it would be a great idea to allow again all banned coaches or at least delete or revise the stats limits. There are not variety in the tour. Today we really have only 3 coaches in the tour: Babb, Neuwirth and Rabary, and all the people have the same configuration (14-4-1). Now, as someone have said in other posts, the game seems to be a little bit diferent (like the game is prepatched again), so maybe the rules have to be revised. IMO this is the only way to try to save the TS4 tour.

Anyway,i will join to the TE tour early so i think sadly that my TS4 days are finished.

[JohnCurveo]

PRO-BAN people is not playing this game anymore. I don't know if the administrators will reconsider this, but i think it could help TS4 tour change the ban rules.

[Ali-Iqb93]

Many players left top spin 4 not because they dont like the game but because they didnt have time to play. Just like I won't be playing as well anymore. I have to go out of town for my studies

[ICEMAN_9588]

The problem most people had was how easy some of the shots appeared to be able execute. Then the banning of coaches came...then the banning of power...then started the control shots bandwagon. By then grew the lack of interest to even pick up a controller...you could pretty much guess your opponents' style and strategy by looking at their setup.

You got the point.
There will always be something to complain for the users in general.

I always tought all these debates about setups are really useless, and not always truthful, too.
Players don't make the difference, USERS make the difference. If you know how TS4 works, you'll be good with every kind of setup.

I can list some nicks of users I faced in WT, they used both power setups and defensive setups...tough matches anyway, why? Cause they're damn good.
I've defeated a looot of Rabary guys, then I face John Curveo and I become crazy trying to win a point against him.
What does it means? Is he using some "magic" setup? No...he is damn good.

Yes, Samala/Welch guys give you extreme wings, and speed, and stamina. But nothing can change the fact that if you don't know how to capitalize their skills, you'll never be one of the best.
In World Tour, ITST Tour, or whatever-you-want-to-call-it Tour.

[supinesmokey13]

The problem most people had was how easy some of the shots appeared to be able execute. Then the banning of coaches came...then the banning of power...then started the control shots bandwagon. By then grew the lack of interest to even pick up a controller...you could pretty much guess your opponents' style and strategy by looking at their setup.

You got the point.
There will always be something to complain for the users in general.

I always tought all these debates about setups are really useless, and not always truthful, too.
Players don't make the difference, USERS make the difference. If you know how TS4 works, you'll be good with every kind of setup.

I can list some nicks of users I faced in WT, they used both power setups and defensive setups...tough matches anyway, why? Cause they're damn good.
I've defeated a looot of Rabary guys, then I face John Curveo and I become crazy trying to win a point against him.
What does it means? Is he using some "magic" setup? No...he is damn good.

Yes, Samala/Welch guys give you extreme wings, and speed, and stamina. But nothing can change the fact that if you don't know how to capitalize their skills, you'll never be one of the best.
In World Tour, ITST Tour, or whatever-you-want-to-call-it Tour.

thats very true i beat a guy using samala using bickham easliy but i used bickham against a good samala user i;ll lose simply by through the strength of the setup.

[Daxter1975]

I think that the tournaments are not more funny for guys like me.

The number of players in a tournament are very low. That means, that you have to play every time against the same "freaks" which are unable to beat.

Where is the fun, when you play in every tournament in first or second round against BigBrushed, Sebastianhu, Sorauze and other Top 10 Players.
(in my last 10 Macthes i must play 4 times against sorauze and 2 time against BigBrushed. With many luck a player like me can win 1 Game in a tournament and than it´s over)
Look at the Top 10. The most Players have played 30 Tournaments 2012 or more. Sorauze have played 41 (!).
So, nearly in every Tournament a 30-100 Player must play against these good players.

I think, if a Player like Philip Kohlschreiber in every ATP Match must play against Murray, Dijokovic, Nadal or Federer, he really fast retire from Tennis, because it is not funny to loose every match and have no chance to play against guys on the same level like you.

So, if ITST will not die, it´s really important to chance rules.

- Players under Ranking 15 can use every coach with every setting
- TOP 15 Players can only play 20 Tournaments in the year (or no tournaments in the 250 Class)
- use Handicap´s. If a TOP Player will play a 250 or 500 Tournament, he musst play with an bad setting & coach (because i will never (!) win against Fifa or Sho. So it´s indifferent if i play against him or give him an walkover)
- in MSS let the best players not play with Nadal, Federer, Agassi, Borg. Or let them play these Players at Semifinal.

And hear the problems of the players. The S&V Players like iCall and me say since months that it´s completely impossible to win against good guys, which plays a lot of Lobs. But it change nothing. So it´s not a question if the S&V players will quit ITST or not. It´s only a question of time when they quit...

[Gotenkssan]

I understand your point of view Daxter, but i can't agree. Why should the "good" players get a punishment because of their skills? Would it be fun to you if you win against a top player just because his power got decreased by strict rules which give the bad player the advantage?
If i would earn a win at this way against Sho or Fifa i wouldn't be proud.
When i enter a tournament it is my desire to play the best players who signed in - not the worst ones. I look for a challenge - not an easy victory. Btw: If a player is better than another than he can beat him with every setup. Just look at the MSS Tour. Many Nadals or Agassis were finished of by other "weaker" players like Federer, Djoker or even Courier...
If you can play Top 10 players just enjoy it and try to improve your skills by studying their play styles. You only get better by playing top players. Keep that in mind.
Without ShOcase, Fifa Tee, ILuvBillval, OuiMrBerson, Dapery, Loki... it's just not the same challenge. That's one of my reasons why i don't play that much tournaments as before.

Greetings from Germany
Gotenkssan

[Daxter1975]

Btw: If a player is better than another than he can beat him with every setup.

Thats the fact. If Sho plays with Chang and i with Nadal i loose 1:6, 3:6. I have Breakballs and we can play ralleys. Plays he Nadal, i loose 0:6, 0:6 without any chance to win a point.

Some guys have not the time to improve their skills. But fun to play here. But the Fun is over when they loose 12 straight Matches against Top 10 Players.

I speak with good Players at WT, and all says they don´t play ITST, because they have no chance to win games.

Gotenkssan, what, if you must play every Game against Sho or Fifa. And both with a TOP Setup. And you loose every game. How long will you play ITST than?

If ITST shall only for the World Elite, so don´t change everything. But will ITST have 200 or more Players, anything must happen to give not so good guys a chance to win games!!!

[BrushedBigJJ]

There's a 20+ ranked tournament coming up after the Australian open. Make sure you enter it daxter, no one in the top 19 will be allowed to enter it.

[Daxter1975]

I will play it, shure. But 98% of the Tournaments are not 20+.

For players with great skill it´s easy to say "Where´s the Problem?". But everyone, who loose 95% of his games will quit ITST soon. I speak not only for me. Also for all players, which never will be win a tournament and plays only for fun here...

[JohnCurveo]

There are some players of top 10 that i know can't handle a 100 power 91 serve setup or 98 98 setup, so they are skilled but not as much, the difference is that the rules help them. I remember when i started some top player crying because they can't beat my 9898 setup.

I can beat 9898 and 100 91 playing with Rabari or neuwirth, so i think it's not fair that i can't show my abilities against power players. Where's the surprise factor? I remember the firsts tournaments i played in ITST, i was able to win a tournament and almost win a final against Sh0case. I was just starting, and i was able to compete. Then i changed to a less powerful Babb, and it didn't worked. Finally, i decided to change to Rabari and Neuwirth two month ago, and i realized that without even training withj those coaches (to compete with less powerful Babb i needed to train a lot), i was able to beat and compete against top players.

[Gotenkssan]

Some guys have not the time to improve their skills. But fun to play here. But the Fun is over when they loose 12 straight Matches against Top 10 Players.

Ok in that case you are completely right. It needs a lot of time and training to get a chance at ITST. If you don't have that time to spend, than you will not have a chance against the top players. All of them play TS4 most of their time. None of the Top 10 players would be there without playing the game most of the time.
Btw: I played Sh0 and Fifa many times and i usually lost in straights, but i enjoy the challenge and accept that they are just better than me...