Wide slice serves cheesy? R1 serve cheesy?

[Ary1g]

We can discuss this further here. No point in ruining the great rule test thread with this disagreement. I'm going to bed now. So I won't be answering anything more tonight.

Anyone else are welcome to this discussion.

Please read the last pages of the rule test thread to find the initial posts and disagreement. Will post a summary tomorrow.

[Corbon]

Wide serves are always cheesy, spin or not. If you stay right beneath the center, your serve should be fine. Or are spin serves a problem now?

R1 serves? I don't see why.

As for the R1 Approach Shots discussion in baseline games, it's like trying to find any useful skill and then immediately jump on it.

[Tamthewasp]

Wide slices are kind of cheesy when over used but the slice serve is great for getting bad returns. Its more cheesy when abused by a babb or gallo. I'm not that annoyed by it Ary. Maybe i wasn't making my point well. Your serve is good. I just managed 2 know what was coming in our last game.
R1 serve i think is cheesy but not a major problem

[Ary1g]

Wide serves are always cheesy, spin or not. If you stay right beneath the center, your serve should be fine. Or are spin serves a problem now?

R1 serves? I don't see why.

As for the R1 Approach Shots discussion in baseline games, it's like trying to find any useful skill and then immediately jump on it.

I think it's fine to have the R1 Approach shots skill and use it frequently. But when someone uses it the all time and gets that bonus all the time without going for the net once, it's cheesy. If you go to the net 5/10 times using it, I'm fine with it. That's what the shot was intended to do. Make it easier to approach the net.

Wide slices are kind of cheesy when over used but the slice serve is great for getting bad returns. Its more cheesy when abused by a babb or gallo. I'm not that annoyed by it Ary. Maybe i wasn't making my point well. Your serve is good. I just managed 2 know what was coming in our last game.
R1 serve i think is cheesy but not a major problem

I always start serving and playing bad in matches. I usually gets broken and loses the 1st set. To then play a better 2nd set.

Anyway, I played against Tam today without serving with R1 and once I got the timing right, I could just as easily hold my serve as with R1(when I got good first serves ofc). No difference whatsoever on the serve. However, I wasn't able to get half as many S&V plays in my favor, so if it's banned to R1 serve, then all rounders looking for S&V points is dead.

[djarvik]

Looking at your activity it seems the opposite, you always win first set. Sounds like you trying to justify your cheesiness.

Anyone serving while holding R1 is cheesy in my eyes, unless they are an SV player. Sorry. Not saying you are a bad player or a person.

[DennieFR1908]

I alway tought my corners would get worse because of it I just liked the serve motion and the fact that I can trap my opponent with walking to the net every once in a while.. I never hit aces or something with it I get kinda annoyed by that but I just like that it's different that's all. Now it really got into my play very hard to get it out..

If you talk about cheesing a slice serve wide is alot more cheese and I can also consider short cross control shots every point as unrealistic part of the game which gives you great advantage so with other words cheese. Compared to that the effect of R1 serve is not even worth to discuss about. Kinda funny a topic has been created for this since in all my itst matches I never ever had a complainment about this. No need in making troubles from nothing right.

[Ary1g]

Looking at your activity it seems the opposite, you always win first set. Sounds like you trying to justify your cheesiness.

Anyone serving while holding R1 is cheesy in my eyes, unless they are an SV player. Sorry. Not saying you are a bad player or a person.

It's been a long time since I've played a match. I don't know. All practice matches against Likos, Zooloo, Firderis and Dennie, I feel like I'm playing much better in the second set.

It's not cheesy Everyone can use it! There's nobody who can't use it if they want to. Together with the fact that it doesn't improve the serve/make it harder to return, there is nothing cheesy about it. The serve may appear faster, but it isn't harder to return than any other serve. Like I said, played a 2 set match against Tam today, serving with regular serve, and once the serve timing was found, I served just as good as with R1.

It's the serve attribute which could feel cheesy imo. 86 serve lets me get quite great angles sometimes, so I don't dare to think about a 100 server in the right hands

Do you consider it cheesy if I usually goes for S&V 2-3 times in my serve games, Djarvik?

[DennieFR1908]

Ary I had no iritation or whatever I even hardly noticed you used R1 alot so no cheese if you ask me. Part of the game.

[djarvik]

Honestly, this all game is one big cheese fest. Everything is cheesy.


I am not even joking.....there soooo much wrong with it. Still fun, but damn, everything has a cheese smell to it.

[Tamthewasp]

Lol. Power shots are cheesy(too hard) control shots(too accurate) lobs cheesy(too easy) drop shot offft marone on the cheese.

You should only be allowed standard shots down the middle till some1 faults

[djarvik]

I think we should just do coin tosses on all matches. This will surely avoid all the cheese and will save tons of time, for everyone.

[Tamthewasp]

I think we should just do coin tosses on all matches. This will surely avoid all the cheese and will save tons of time, for everyone.

A 50/50 chance sounds cheesy 2 me

[djarvik]

Power up and put in your TS4 disc into your console. Let it run for a minute. Get your face really close to your console... now smell.

What do you smell?

[Corbon]

Anyway, had 36/51 volleys but got wrong footed too often. One obvious weakness with 12-8 Schiemer is his speed and of course his wings, I needed every opportunity to advance to the net because a rally would drain me out quickly.

Otherwise S&V is the most fun but also the weakest tree.

[BlueIvyDaSlayer]

But they do all of this in real tennis.