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Postby Ary1g » Tue, 27 Dec 2011 11:24

I want to work out a new rule suggestion for the regular tours on ITST.

I want this thread to be a suggestion box, which people can throw their suggestions into. This way we can hopefully gather all ideas in one thread. Which makes things much easier for the ones wanting to find rules that fit for everyone.

Therefore I want people to throw in their ideas and earlier ideas. Practically all ideas imaginable. ;)

I'll start:

This is found on the forum, used in a test tournament under the command of Djarvik.

- Maximum of one stat of 85 and over (not including Volley or Reflex)
- One stroke must be 69 or less (Forehand or Backhand)

What are your thoughts about this one? Pros and Cons?

I think it's good overall. This rule seem to make things much more realistic in terms of forcing players to have a weaker side, which I like very much. However, S&V might get a cheap advantage with this rule and I saw that there was some issues with the weaker side limit, killing some coaches and builds. Though with some reworking I think it could become very interesting.
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Postby C4iLL » Tue, 27 Dec 2011 15:22

I'm not against this one, but the SIM tour would have no more utility no ?
The SIM tour is maybe not that useful anyway ^^
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Postby Ali-Iqb93 » Tue, 27 Dec 2011 17:00

honestly if sim tour is meant to be more real and balanced tour then PRO players tour can serve the same purpose... why not pro players tour instead of sim tour if we want more real and balanced tour????
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Postby ILuvBillVal » Tue, 27 Dec 2011 21:39

I think everything's fine really as far as the regular tour is concerned. The more you change it the more you'll just see more people gravitating toward other setups and then more people will want those eliminated. It will really never end so leaving it the way it is and letting people use WHATEVER they want is really the safest option.

I like the SIM as well though it doesn't lend itself as well to this game as it did in TS3. I think another alternative to this would be to simply just have bronze coaches so that way it eliminates TS4's skills and leaves only player skills to decide the outcome.

EDIT: but again you'd just see most people using the same setups with that so it's really all the same thing when you get down to it.
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Postby edlglide » Wed, 28 Dec 2011 18:15

I wish more people would play the SIM tour -- it's far more realistic and more fun than the regular tour. Still not great, but I have a lot more fun playing it since people can't hit 150 mph short angled cross court winners from 5 feet behind the baseline 45 times a match.
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Postby Tamthewasp » Thu, 29 Dec 2011 00:46

I woulf play sim tour if a scottish guy was made.

I.e Mcdougal Hamissh or Imch8huns
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Postby Moralspain » Thu, 29 Dec 2011 10:50

Tamthewasp wrote:I woulf play sim tour if a scottish guy was made.

I.e Mcdougal Hamissh or Imch8huns


:lol: , we'll take that into account
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Postby jayl0ve » Thu, 29 Dec 2011 12:36

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Postby Tamthewasp » Thu, 29 Dec 2011 14:39

jayl0ve wrote:Angus McTartan



Sounds Fandabbydose.
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Postby Ary1g » Fri, 06 Jan 2012 17:08

ILuvBillVal wrote:I think everything's fine really as far as the regular tour is concerned. The more you change it the more you'll just see more people gravitating toward other setups and then more people will want those eliminated. It will really never end so leaving it the way it is and letting people use WHATEVER they want is really the safest option.

I like the SIM as well though it doesn't lend itself as well to this game as it did in TS3. I think another alternative to this would be to simply just have bronze coaches so that way it eliminates TS4's skills and leaves only player skills to decide the outcome.

EDIT: but again you'd just see most people using the same setups with that so it's really all the same thing when you get down to it.


You have good arguments in your post. However I think that by limiting the top 3 coaches, it will open up for new coaches. Besides, it's really pathetic to have a player build who has 90/90 wings. It's just so immensely unrealistic and arcade. That alone should be a good reason for restricting some of them. When it comes to Rabari, I think he's too competent of a build. Since the game doesn't really care about stamina, you can hit those great power shots all the time. I have yet to play a Neuwirth that I feel is overpowered, but the poll I made some time ago shows that many people are using him. Don't know if anything is OP with him. What I do have experienced is that in almost all matches against Rabari and Welsh, I feel cheated when Rabari just sends a crushing passing shot power shot that your player don't react to at all. He just protects his face or something. I feel cheated when Welsh out of nowhere sends a slow, insanely placed control shot which totally outplays my player. These two builds at least, should be restricted to a few max stats. Where for example, Welsh are only available with 84/84 wings and Rabari only available with 84 stat cap or maybe max 2-3 red attributes. Any other ideas?

I don't know :) I think the tour will be much better, when "normal" custom builds have a chance against those top 3(or top 5 or 6) builds.

You also say that the safest option might be to leave it all alone. However, I don't think trying some rules will ruin anything. There are fewer and fewer people playing TS4 now. This site could be the one to change that trend.

It might be fun to play a match with Rabari vs Rabari. Welsh vs Welsh. Or Rabari vs Welsh. Though I think it will be much more fun if these builds actually gets vulnerable against other builds than each other.

Sim tour will never loose it's purpose. There is a whole different mind-set to those matches than regular tour matches. You know what build your opponent will be using, therefore you can plan ahead of your match and have a gameplan going into the match. In regular tour you have to work out your plan during the first set. :)
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Postby ILuvBillVal » Thu, 12 Jan 2012 05:36

I'm not saying there's a problem with trying anything. There was a period of time in which I actually had a lot of problems with some of the coaches and wished it had all been different, but as I eased into the game I came to realize that a good player can make a HUGE difference. My post mainly came from a staff perspective. To go through an entire motion change where everyone has to once again do everything differently only to see similar or minimal results could have a negative "oh no not another restriction or rule change" sort of effect.

I really can see the positive points in what you say but people will always find a way to do cheesy things it's the nature of the game. In a world devoid of OP Offensive Baseliners Michael Kelly becomes awfully dangerous, as do a lot of the other super high serve coaches.
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Postby jayb1988 » Thu, 12 Jan 2012 15:44

I think everyone needs to have a relatively level playing field whether it's in SIM or the full tour.

When I was in the men's tour I had a pretty average set up and lost more games than most against high powered players, but now I've entered the women's tour with more aggressive stats, I have found I can compete with these players now so it seems alot less unfair.

I think if a player is good the quality of that player will still make the difference in the end, but I suppose if we are all turning to the same set ups then we may as well all be in the SIM tour!

I had a game with Painted Crystal the other day and had what was essentially a SIM warm up where I used the weakest of the pre-loaded players and while I agree with the principle that the slower matches will mean the better player with good timing will win through, I find it hard to adjust to the extremely slow pace and missed the adrenaline rush you get when matched up with a quality power player, where some of the points are just out of this world, I think SIM would surely lack that, although correct me if I'm wrong.
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