Full Ace tennis game

[[MDQ]FERCHU]

Q was wrong end of history, lets finish with this Q special treatment thing.

[Samael]

Q is a good Buddy!

[Rob ITST]

Q knows very well that I don't give him any special treatment. And this thread isn't about Q. It's about Full Ace Tennis so let's keep it that way.

[GOA MASTER MDMA]

you had played full ace tennis?

[kschoice]

Q didn't do anything wrong. He simply said that the beta version was not working for him. He said, "go figure" which I think kschoice took the wrong way. You can see it as, "go figure, the demo is good but the beta is junk" or, "go figure, that's just my luck". I think Q meant the latter.

Q could have been clearer, kschoice jumped to conclusions - it takes two to have a misunderstanding.

@ kschoice: You're getting a lot of free advertising for your game here, on a forum where everyone who sees it is a potential customer. I think I can speak for everyone who runs the ITST when I say I have no problem with that - but I think you have to accept that there will be some bad with the good. Even when someone says they are having problems there is opportunity in that - opportunity for you to show that you are willing to work with the customer to help resolve the problem.

I agree that I over-reacted. In my defense, I failed to see the point in stating he had problems with the beta, just 15 minutes after my message. Because he already told it in our forums, and was already in contact with us about the problem but gave no answer about it for the last 10 days. I was beginning to assume he had given up, and I clearly didn't understand why he would come back on this here so quickly.

I take this opportunity to thank ITST for talking about Full Ace. I didn't know about this site until I found out that it linked to our site, after Slicer created this topic.

I have no problem with criticism if it's not there only for the sake of it, which I mistakenly sensed in Q's message.
I am more than eager to solve problems that one might encounter with the game, Slicer can tell you that. We exchanged e-mails in order to fix problems that prevented Full Ace to run on his PC.

We haven't had many people trying the beta yet unfortunately, that's why I tried to advertize a little more.

[kschoice]

Q knows very well that I don't give him any special treatment. And this thread isn't about Q. It's about Full Ace Tennis so let's keep it that way.

Wisely said

[Rob ITST]

I didn't realize Q had posted the same comment on your forums. I still don't think his intentions were bad, but I understand you reaction a bit since that does seem a bit odd - something we're all used to from Q.

Anyway... back to the game:

I plan to try it out soon again. I liked the trial you had originally put out. The idea of choosing whether to hit a forehand or backhand is something that's been missing from tennis games. I thoroughly enjoyed cheating to the backhand corner and trying to hit as many forehands as I could.

You say you have to register to open all the features of the game; what are these features?

[kschoice]

I didn't realize Q had posted the same comment on your forums. I still don't think his intentions were bad, but I understand you reaction a bit since that does seem a bit odd - something we're all used to from Q.

Anyway... back to the game:

I plan to try it out soon again. I like the trial you had originally put out. The idea of choosing whether to hit a forehand or backhand is something that's been missing from tennis games. I thoroughly enjoyed cheating to the backhand corner and trying to hit as many forehands as I could.

You say you have to register to open all the features of the game; what are these features?

Features that weren't in the demo but are available in the beta, namely character editor (database limited to 4 players), and exhibition (limited to first-to-3 games matches).

[Q. Reese]

Q didn't do anything wrong. He simply said that the beta version was not working for him. He said, "go figure" which I think kschoice took the wrong way. You can see it as, "go figure, the demo is good but the beta is junk" or, "go figure, that's just my luck". I think Q meant the latter.

Q could have been clearer, kschoice jumped to conclusions - it takes two to have a misunderstanding.

@ kschoice: You're getting a lot of free advertising for your game here, on a forum where everyone who sees it is a potential customer. I think I can speak for everyone who runs the ITST when I say I have no problem with that - but I think you have to accept that there will be some bad with the good. Even when someone says they are having problems there is opportunity in that - opportunity for you to show that you are willing to work with the customer to help resolve the problem.

This absolutely correct. Even though I thought I was correct in this matter, I still apologize and I credit both kschoice and I putting this behind us.

I am so surprised that it was dug up again, well . . . not really. Well, let us leave it as it is.

I have the trouble-shooting file sent to me by kschoice and will work on it when I get home. So, like I said before, I am going to help kschoice even more so because of the level of maturity involved in this regard.

Thanks all, and I truely meant no harm. Again, sorry guys.

Oh at Rob and Kschoice . . .

Yes. I did copy and paste this message on the FullAce's forum. Again, I did not know he was offended by the message. So, it unfortunately got carried on his forum too.

[Q. Reese]

Okay. Kschoice and I have worked about the bugs. It is working on my computer.

Critiques about the game mate (I know it is beta, so please do not get upset):

1) I think the recognition for the triggers left and right for returning serve is way to slow. LOL. About time you press it, you are already aced.

2) The graphics looks very similar to Virtua Tennis PC (the first sequel). Will it be better?

3) The first court looked stunning in the demo. Will the other courts look as stunning as the demo's hard court?

4) There should be a challenge system of some sort in the game.

5) When the ball is faulted, the ball is called "out." It should say fault. I am being too picky I guess.

Yet, if we are going to make the game sucessful, beta testers must speak up.

Thanks for all the help, and I hope that I can continue to be your tester.

[kschoice]

1) I think the recognition for the triggers left and right for returning serve is way to slow. LOL. About time you press it, you are already aced.

You haven't played the game for long yet. With proper training, you get to be quick enough (and Full Ace deliberately is a game that needs practicing). Now, we already considered putting in a different system for returning serves, so it may change in the future. However, the game is intended to be difficult. And I expect things that are difficult in real tennis to be difficult in Full Ace. There's no point in talking about realism if serving well doesn't give you (or CPU) the upper hand.

2) The graphics looks very similar to Virtua Tennis PC (the first sequel). Will it be better?

I don't know if this is meant as a praise or a run down. I played Virtua tennis PC recently and I didn't notice a particular likeness. Our first goal was to make a game that could run smoothly on a wide range of computers, even pretty old ones. Graphics will improve, and benefit from modern hardware along time, but what you've seen in the beta is pretty much what you'll see in the first upcoming release. Keep in mind, in the other hand, that characters are fully editable.

3) The first court looked stunning in the demo. Will the other courts look as stunning as the demo's hard court?

I guess by that, you mean the court's surface. We're using huge textures for that, so yes, all courts will benefit from the same level of detail. Have a look at the screenshots on our website to see for yourself.

4) There should be a challenge system of some sort in the game.

That's something I have in mind, but currently has rather bottom priority. Until then, calls are computer-accurate (that is to say, they are always perfect).

5) When the ball is faulted, the ball is called "out." It should say fault. I am being too picky I guess.

Maybe the sound isn't clear enough, but this is my own voice I recorded, and I did say "fault".



What about your opinion about the game in general ? Would you be willing to buy it ? Would you recommend it to your friends ? What did you think about the character editor ?

It seems to me the issues you've listed are rather superficial so I'm guessing you're rather ok with the game so far.

[Q. Reese]

1) I liked the demo and spent time to get the hang of it. Do not worry. I know how much time I spend on a game, for sure. Also, I was talking about the realism of serving. Where did you get that from?

2&3) The graphics on the demo's practice court was very nice. For this one, it looks down-graded. Yet, I understand it is a beta version.

4&5) Thanks mate.

Hey. I want to tell you that being a beta-tester comes with the good and bad information for the creator. I find that you often defend yourself when someone brings up something about your game (like me). Hehe.

It is okay mate. I am saying it to improve your game, not bring it down. If you do not want me to do so, I will stop testing your game mate.

Just let me know, and I will do it.

[kschoice]

1) I liked the demo and spent time to get the hang of it. Do not worry. I know how much time I spend on a game, for sure. Also, I was talking about the realism of serving. Where did you get that from?

But I know how much time you spent playing matches against the CPU, and therefore returning serves, because you couldn't before we found a fix .
And from that I think further practice will help you returning better.

I talked about realism of serving because it's intertwined with returning. Obviously it's all about the balance between serving and returning. There is no point in being able to serve a wide range of different balls if the game allows returning any of them easily, is it ?

Hey. I want to tell you that being a beta-tester comes with the good and bad information for the creator. I find that you often defend yourself when someone brings up something about your game (like me). Hehe.

It is okay mate. I am saying it to improve your game, not bring it down. If you do not want me to do so, I will stop testing your game mate.

Just let me know, and I will do it.

Now it's your turn to over-react. Of course I defend myself about the choices I made in making this game. You can't expect me to agree with any suggestions, so when I don't, there is nothing more I can do than explain why.

Why would I discuss it with you in the first place if your opinion didn't matter to me ? Believe me, having someone who listens to your complaints and discussing them with you is much more than you'll ever get with companies like PAM or Sega.

So, I hope you continue playing the game and letting me know what you think about it, but you can't get offended each time I don't accept one of your suggestions.

[Sherlock 117]

True on your last comment there kschoice. A lot of ITST players want to give input into upcoming tennis games, and this is our chance to finally do it. A game developer is actually openly seeking our opinion on a release of a game.

Up until now I haven't been bothered to try the game out just because I've been busy with other things. But my interest in all tennis games currently out there is fading, so I think I will beta test your game. Can you tell me before I download though how long you think the beta testing will be open?

[Sherlock 117]

I'm currently in the process of getting the beta version. A few notes of my experience so far.

1. I'm not a big fan of the purchase page. For some reason it just doesn't feel "clear" to me that I am in the area where I am purchasing something. I think the background image and surrounding photos detract from the experience.

2. The shopping cart button should be located in the top right corner of the page, as this is standard with other shop sites. Maybe you should give a little time to rethinking the layout of your links.

3. As I haven't registered with your site before, when I went to checkout I was required to register. I am waiting for the email to confirm what I think is going to happen, but since I am writing this post let me tell you what my guess is. I am going to receive a confirmation email of my registration. Now I will have to follow the link to activate my registration. After this I will have to go back in and checkout the beta version using my registration info. After this I will have to wait for another email giving me the code to unlock the full version of the game. If this is true, this is far too long a process. You should be able to buy the game without needing to register with the site first. Or if you want to keep registration first, at least have this come up first before you can even select to put something in a shopping cart. You would need to add a "register with the site" link near the shopping cart link.

I will give more info as I get further in. I hope this helps for now.