Your opinion about risk slice return inside the baseline?

[picachu211]

I notice that no one here is really concerned about this issue.
Some people said they had no problem with it, I think that's because you have not really seen anyone who is good at it.
This return can totally throw your rhythm off, and the ball comes back before you even finish your serving. You cannot risk because it would definitely be out or into the net. You cannot use normal shots because the ball is so low and so close to the net, it would be a sitter for your opponent.
I have no problem with all kinds of unrealistic setups, or risk shots (returns). At least you have the chance to work the points. But with this return you are screwed from the get go.
I met some people in our community in world tour and they played like this. I hope that they won't play like this in any ITST tournaments.
I am really not a whiner. Play with some of these guys and you will know what I am talking about.

[Agassi_Return]

We have got some threads here about the risk slice return . Yes it is a unrealistic way to play but i think it is the same unrealistic thing as these every 140mph 80-90 pts services on the line. If you try to return these services with a normal shot it is unpossible to make the point. So you need to use on every service the risk return (not the slice return). But this not realistic. So you using the slice risk return against these unrealisic services. (i voted for fair )

...and yes you can stop the opponent using risk return slices....and you can also "return" these risk slice returns. I give you two tips: Dont using the normal serve with right analog stick and try another shots to get these risk returns slices.

[Mack2300]

I know its not the way to play but if some one starts playing cheesy tennis with me then I will return the favour and play cheesy tennis too. Only thing you can so sometimes. Against these risk slice returns inside the baseline, wouldn't the cheesy outwide slice serve be effective?

[Agassi_Return]

Against these risk slice returns inside the baseline, wouldn't the cheesy outwide slice serve be effective?

yes

[picachu211]

Slice wide serve is actually part of the game, a lot of players do that.
But can you name one player returns like this? Even the best returner does not do that.
How you play in the world tour is not my business, but at least we can play real tennis matches here.

BTW: I know some people here do serve wide all the time, I just think they don't know the game.

[ANILTJE]

OK played 8 matches online today and 6 were returning from inside the baseline.
A big annoyance. It's like people first served from way outwide, now people will serve outwide for the tramlines and return from inside the baseline ( I loooooove ranked )
It all feels so constipated but I am used to playing ranked for a TS-game.
With the tramline serves you can still somehow work on your return timing and stuff but this return when you serve good serve of 215 kmh that is returned from inside the baseline there's nada you can do and damn it feels like TS2 all over again.

[Squilari]

it's the cheesiest thing in TS3.
I think it should be forbidden whatever inside or outside the court.

[o0 RORSCHACH 0o]

before ban the returns, ban the players that serve outwide from tramlines!!!
Yesterday, I play a guy who consistantly serves outwide, then I return all his serves with risk slice returns.....and after 1 set he quits the match! The guy was top 20!!!! Top 20 with only that weapon: wide serve!

From now: if I play a fair guy, not return slice risk.....but If the guy try fo "****" me with a cheesy tactic, it will be cheese fest on my side too!
I'm so bored with these guys...and many of them are here on ITST...

[ANILTJE]

it's the cheesiest thing in TS3.
I think it should be forbidden whatever inside or outside the court.

Well outside is not such a biggy
For me it's lear it's bullocks if someone can risk return wîth whatever risk my hard serve from way inside the baseline.

[Tantsutallinn]

lets make a rule that no risk serves and no risk returns, like a training session ) you get the ball in play and then work it


ok seriously, the only way you can counter these risk returners is somehow mixing up the serves, like slice in the body, slow slice outwide, but the problem is that good cheeser returners still manage to get half of the serves back and even if you hold serve you would lose in the tiebreak.

the only reason inside the court returns should be banned is that your players service animation is not complete. of course you can serve slower, but where is the reality, when you have to serve slow to win points, and even then you lose half of them.

[Pogagna]

vs those crappers, serve from the centre. it helps a bit. or leave the match. that helps even better.

[madsitesPT]

Well, yesterday against a guy that wasn´t handling my serve, he went into the baseline and started to risk slice returns. I tried every kind of serve, and still 50% of the returns, were winners for my opponet.
That is one of the lame stuff i ever seen in this game.
Best Regards
mad

[picachu211]

Please, we are talking about ITST, not the world tour.
Because there is nothing you can do about the world tour.

[Agassi_Return]

Slice wide serve is actually part of the game, a lot of players do that.
But can you name one player returns like this? Even the best returner does not do that.

Tell me one player who can serve every ball with 140 mph on the line. (doesnt metter 1st serve or 2 serve). Nobody can do this...but in TS3 it is very easy.

[picachu211]

Slice wide serve is actually part of the game, a lot of players do that.
But can you name one player returns like this? Even the best returner does not do that.

Tell me one player who can serve every ball with 140 mph on the line. (doesnt metter 1st serve or 2 serve). Nobody can do this...but in TS3 it is very easy.

I have not seen anyone in our community serve like that yet. OK, maybe one. I know some of them are capable of doing that, but they don't. And that is what ITST is all about. We are supposed to compete like real players.

Again, you can still hold serve and potentially win the tiebreakers with your opponent serves bombs on the line, but it is impossible to win when your opponent returns like that, period.