risk returns or risk slice, which is cheesier?

[DRII]

I think risk returns are far more problematic for the game. Plus it must be hard to determine risk slice from normal slice because I was accused of risk slice when I don't use the risk buttons hardly at all ( it messes up my timing ).

It seems as though TS3, as great as it is, has issues with allowing risk shots to be executed too easily for some and thus decreases the gaming experience.

[Otlichno]

I'm not on the Xbox Tour but I definitely believe it's risk slice. Because risk slice is simply to easy of a shot to execute for what it does. The risk return actually requires very good timing and being able to execute it consistently is quite difficult.

[DRII]

I'm on the PS3 tour as well. Sorry if I posted wrong.

[kyuuji]

well once again, we can't play tennis normaly..
Slice return, short or long.. we say it's cheesy so Sampras playes cheesy also:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUBPF10OIjA

[djarvik]

It's simple. The best risk returner on Xbox tour is Norberto. Look at his recent match results. Most are either 1 break a set or tie breaks. Close wins. AND he is the best.

If you are getting beat up by risk returners on a regular basis - your serve needs improvement. The success rate just doesn't justify risk returning 100% of the time. Mixing your returns yields far better results.

Also what do you mean by "risk"? Any risk? L2+R2? L2 alone or R2 alone?

[djarvik]

well once again, we can't play tennis normaly..
Slice return, short or long.. we say it's cheesy so Sampras playes cheesy also:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUBPF10OIjA

How many times a match Samprass can pull it off? Can he do it against the likes of Chang?

please.....its one thing to hit an amazing return slice once every 5-6 matches.....and complete another to hit it on every point.

You comparing apples and oranges here, both fruits you right. But thats it.


BTW - this is the guy he pulled it off against:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arvind_Parmar

[DRII]

It's simple. The best risk returner on Xbox tour is Norberto. Look at his recent match results. Most are either 1 break a set or tie breaks. Close wins. AND he is the best.

If you are getting beat up by risk returners on a regular basis - your serve needs improvement. The success rate just doesn't justify risk returning 100% of the time. Mixing your returns yields far better results.

Also what do you mean by "risk"? Any risk? L2+R2? L2 alone or R2 alone?

I mean any risk that is essentially unreturnable. I can understand a serve being consistently almost unreturnable ala Sampras. However no player had return winners on every service return, not Agassi or anyone else no matter how 'poor' the opponent's serve is. Now some players do consistently slice off their backhand but these shots are not usually unreturnable. Basically TS3 allows for too many risk shots to the point of being unrealistic.

[djarvik]

I completely disagree, if anything, TS3 doesn't allow enough risks and THAT is what makes it unrealistic.

There is nothing realistic in hitting safe shots.....absolutely nothing.

Problem is, the risk is easy to hit in TS3...it should be harder.

No shot should be safe. No such thing in tennis. Every shot has an element of risk. Some more some less.

As for returns. Once again, if your opponent consistently hits WINNERS of your serve, your serve needs improvement. It is that simple.

In fact, in SIM, I rarely see the return winners. With reduced power and strokes, it is much easier to get to that "punishing" risk return, and start of the rally.....granted - on defense.....but never the less, a rally. From here your can work your way into the point.

I strongly suggest you take a look at your serve. It is almost certainly your problem.

[tonedawg1]

I completely disagree, if anything, TS3 doesn't allow enough risks and THAT is what makes it unrealistic.

There is nothing realistic in hitting safe shots.....absolutely nothing.

Problem is, the risk is easy to hit in TS3...it should be harder.

No shot should be safe. No such thing in tennis. Every shot has an element of risk. Some more some less.

As for returns. Once again, if your opponent consistently hits WINNERS of your serve, your serve needs improvement. It is that simple.

In fact, in SIM, I rarely see the return winners. With reduced power and strokes, it is much easier to get to that "punishing" risk return, and start of the rally.....granted - on defense.....but never the less, a rally. From here your can work your way into the point.

I strongly suggest you take a look at your serve. It is almost certainly your problem.

i agree LOL some people are just better risker's than others and some are better serves than others, all u need to do is mix up your serve. i can "feel" when my opponent is going out wide on deuce lol but on the add side its a mystery i usually trail "moving with the risk shot to hit it" . except lefties always a mystery Well drii serves pretty good but he reduces the accuracy on the second serve is why they risk off it a ton lol like his first serve is on the line and if he misses his second serve will be right there if ur going to do that use the stick and hit a kick serve or regular flat, a 120 mph second serve right to the guy is asking for a risk they feel the adrenalin and smack the crap out of the ball, i think if u keep ur 2nd serve like ur first serve you will have no problem because u rally great and return great all u need is serve, id rather serve great and return poorly any day

[DRII]

Uhm... you are essentially contradicting yourself. Doesn't allow enough risk and risk is too easy is completely incompatible.

I never said that my opponents were hitting winners off of all my serves. However I am losing to the same players in tiebreakers because they always go for risk returns. And of course there is a such thing as ' safe ' or percentage tennis. I suggest you watch a couple of Agassi matches from 99. He dominated by playing percentage tennis and then going for his shots when the opportunity presented itself.

[tonedawg1]

It's simple. The best risk returner on Xbox tour is Norberto. Look at his recent match results. Most are either 1 break a set or tie breaks. Close wins. AND he is the best.

If you are getting beat up by risk returners on a regular basis - your serve needs improvement. The success rate just doesn't justify risk returning 100% of the time. Mixing your returns yields far better results.

Also what do you mean by "risk"? Any risk? L2+R2? L2 alone or R2 alone?

i wanna be like him he only lost 3 times this year LOL and won 2/3 grand slams at the aussie open but picachu usually beats him but then pica loses to anteros alot but norberto can beat anteros hmmm so confusing LOL, Norberto must be a night mare to play against

[djarvik]

Uhm... you are essentially contradicting yourself. Doesn't allow enough risk and risk is too easy is completely incompatible.

I never said that my opponents were hitting winners off of all my serves. However I am losing to the same players in tiebreakers because they always go for risk returns. And of course there is a such thing as ' safe ' or percentage tennis. I suggest you watch a couple of Agassi matches from 99. He dominated by playing percentage tennis and then going for his shots when the opportunity presented itself.

Thanks for suggestion!

I am saying the risk is too easy to pull off, yes. I am also saying that "safe" shots don't exists. Every shot in real life tennis is a risk, so yeah, essentially, there is not enough risk in them. No contradiction here my friend.

Every shot at every point Aggasi hit was a risk. His timing was superb. But if you look at the stats at the end of the match, you would see he committed plenty, plenty, hmmmm plenty! of errors......I never saw a match were one would hit 40 winners and 2 errors.

Safe shots in TS3 don't miss. They don't have an element of risk to them. Element of risk of hitting a bit early or a bit late and having the ball miss by an inch the line or clip the net.

I think your are confused with the term "percentage tennis" a bit.

Here is my suggestion to you. Go out there and play some tennis. You will quickly understand what I am trying to say man.

Don't confuse Skill with Safe (percentage tennis)

[maximo]

Well, i risk returns a lot in MS, but no all the time, and i never return with slice, i think that is not cheesy. Serve and risk short slice at least 2 times per game, yes is cheesy for me, and is not funny.

[DRII]

Uhm... you are essentially contradicting yourself. Doesn't allow enough risk and risk is too easy is completely incompatible.

I never said that my opponents were hitting winners off of all my serves. However I am losing to the same players in tiebreakers because they always go for risk returns. And of course there is a such thing as ' safe ' or percentage tennis. I suggest you watch a couple of Agassi matches from 99. He dominated by playing percentage tennis and then going for his shots when the opportunity presented itself.

Thanks for suggestion!

I am saying the risk is too easy to pull off, yes. I am also saying that "safe" shots don't exists. Every shot in real life tennis is a risk, so yeah, essentially, there is not enough risk in them. No contradiction here my friend.

Every shot at every point Aggasi hit was a risk. His timing was superb. But if you look at the stats at the end of the match, you would see he committed plenty, plenty, hmmmm plenty! of errors......I never saw a match were one would hit 40 winners and 2 errors.

Safe shots in TS3 don't miss. They don't have an element of risk to them. Element of risk of hitting a bit early or a bit late and having the ball miss by an inch the line or clip the net.

I think your are confused with the term "percentage tennis" a bit.

Here is my suggestion to you. Go out there and play some tennis. You will quickly understand what I am trying to say man.

Don't confuse Skill with Safe (percentage tennis)

Here's a suggestion: how about not giving a suggestion unless its asked for!

First off I do play tennis the ' real life kind ', why you would assume otherwise is quite bewildering indeed.

And I still disagree, or don't get because it makes little sense, your idea of risk being too easy in TS3 but that there's not enough of risk because every shot is risk or whatever you're saying.

FYI risk and safe are relative inverse terms. Every shot in tennis has a certain amount of each...

And I completely disagree about Agassi. In 99 he made very few errors relatively speaking.

So I guess we can agree to disagree. Even though your premise that risk is too easy in TS3 is basically what I was saying in the first place.

But just in case anyone forgot the original question was " which is cheesier, high risk slice or high risk returns.

I raised the question because both have been criticized on the forum recently.

[djarvik]

Well, you made a suggestion so did I. Don't get all puffy about it now.

Thanks for the FYI, But I didn't ask for a lesson in English. If I don't express myself clear enough is because English is my 3rd language, sorry...sometimes I come across wrong.

The reason I assumed you don't play tennis in real life is because of what you wrote and also for the same reason you assumed I don't watch tennis on TV. Nothing more. How long do you play? Competitively? Just curious.

I think you will find that many other members share my outlook on this one.

Once again, you confuse pure skill with what game does for you. Game (TS3) makes you Aggassi, while in reality he is one of the kind.

As to your REAL question: Risk slices are by far cheesier. In fact, risk returning is not cheesy at all.