Walkover's and No points.

by **Apathetically** » Wed, 08 Apr 2009 15:00

It is a bit of a joke really. Sometime's it's SIMPLY not your fault and you get called a walkover which not only destroys your stats but taking points off as if you never contested the draw is a bit questionable. There's not much difference between telling a opponent you would rather lose 6-0, 6-0 than not even getting a scoreline AND losing ranking points. I don't think you see this in the real life tour so why would you here. I know people get lazy and mess up the draw by deliberately not wanting to play a match but when you're in the dying hours of the deadline and your OPPONENT won't even accept your friend request, it's pathetic.

BTW my previous and SOLE opponent has NEVER added me for my matches and i got the walkover last time and he got the walkover this time. Both times i tried adding him yet no reply. A bit off topic but that's an example.

by **kyuuji** » Wed, 08 Apr 2009 15:19

I don't think you see this in the real life tour so why would you here.

We don't see this in the real life, because is not a video game, and it's difficult to contact because, you're oponent is far as you..
And in real life, you are in the same place, same court so..
It takes time to contact somebody, tournaments can't be PERFECT!
So if your oponent didn't answer before the deadline then you got a W.O that's all..
That's unfair if you have a NO MATCH because your oponent didn't play and you we're ready.

by **SoundfSilence** » Wed, 08 Apr 2009 15:21

Apathetically wrote:It is a bit of a joke really. Sometime's it's SIMPLY not your fault and you get called a walkover which not only destroys your stats but taking points off as if you never contested the draw is a bit questionable.
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BTW my previous and SOLE opponent has NEVER added me for my matches and i got the walkover last time and he got the walkover this time. Both times i tried adding him yet no reply. A bit off topic but that's an example.

Explain your situation a bit more please... Are you saying you and your opponent got a random walkover each time? Surely if you have proof of trying to contact your opponent and get no response, then you would get the walkover...

by **Moralspain** » Wed, 08 Apr 2009 16:55

Send a message to one of the hosts explaining your situation, here we can´t help you.

by **Q. Reese** » Wed, 08 Apr 2009 17:34

No. I like the way it is, because the person is penalized for not playing the match for lack of scheduling.

If you get the points, it will encourage an idea of, "Ah, I do not have to schedule my matches, it is just a WO against me and the points will be awarded to me anywey."

I do not think that that is cool. :wink:

by **BalkanPower** » Wed, 08 Apr 2009 20:10

Q. Reese wrote:No. I like the way it is, because the person is penalized for not playing the match for lack of scheduling.

If you get the points, it will encourage an idea of, "Ah, I do not have to schedule my matches, it is just a WO against me and the points will be awarded to me anywey."

I do not think that that is cool.

but it's also really uncool, that because of some private situation you can't play yourt match in time, and be penalized for it. A bit of a hard question...both alternatives are "right"

by **Q. Reese** » Thu, 09 Apr 2009 04:54

That is why there is a sign-in feature. You have the choice of signing up or not. :wink:

by **Coolhand Texas** » Thu, 09 Apr 2009 05:23

I see both sides for this arguments.

Sometimes though, when you are in the middle of the tournament something comes up (like a big exam, for me) and you cant do anything about it. I would like to be awarded the points that i earned.

But if its pure laziness then no.

by **Rob ITST** » Thu, 09 Apr 2009 05:44

I would love to give someone the points they earned if an exam came up, a family member got sick, etc. But then everytime someone didn't get a match played or didn't want to play against a particular opponent, they would say they had an exam or a family member got sick, etc.

by **Coolhand Texas** » Thu, 09 Apr 2009 06:28

Rob ITST wrote:I would love to give someone the points they earned if an exam came up, a family member got sick, etc. But then everytime someone didn't get a match played or didn't want to play against a particular opponent, they would say they had an exam or a family member got sick, etc.

Exactly its too hard to tell when a person is lying or not. Thats why its safest to not award the points unless the hosts knows for abslotu sure that the persons excuse is reliable.

by **jayl0ve** » Thu, 09 Apr 2009 07:56

I agree ^^^^...unfortunately I was on the loser end of this in TS2 quite a bit, but I still think that one person shouldn't get points, whoever was determined to have put in the least amount of effort to actually PLAY the match.

Also, I'm not 100% sure, but I'm pretty sure that there's a WO penalty in the ATP, too. I don't really feel like looking it up so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

by **Q. Reese** » Thu, 09 Apr 2009 15:05

I do agree that we should have maybe the full week to play, perhaps up to Saturday instead of Friday for the first round.

That is where most players are in the draw, round one. So, the deadline can be extended and then tailored gradually to how it is now.

Yet, the no points no show rule must stand. You can make a living off of WOs. That is crazy, because you really want to promote the match to be played.

I am telling you, if ITST enforces your WO points rule, you will have more no shows and the draws will go crumbling at a quicker rate.

by **Apathetically** » Thu, 09 Apr 2009 17:25

Just to clarify and be certain, i won't have to defend these 'points' next year, correct? It seems obvious but you never know............

Also our 'deadline' was 4th April, i was willing to play our match on the 5th because of extreme circumstances and then immeditately play my next opponent who's quarter final deadline was on the 7th April. Surely a bit of leniency could have prevailed. I've seen semi's and finals played quite a BIT AFTER the deadline. Seems a little impartial and inconsistent tbh.

by **GOA MASTER MDMA** » Thu, 09 Apr 2009 17:28

i think its not okay to give completly no points by walkover .
as example :
when i played and win the first round match,and in second round i can´t play because my dog die or my cat have the flue (OR WHATEVER IS THE GROUND)
than its enough penalty that i cant play tournament and my opponent became the walkover.
there is no need to cancel completly all points from 1 round!!
a walkover is same as i loose 6-0 6-0 !!
and for a 6-0 6-0 i became my points-
i see no sense to give no points.
that bring people only to send fake results !!!!!

by **Apathetically** » Thu, 09 Apr 2009 17:31

^Exactly my point. Maybe even award 'half' the points or something. You would still have to defend the points the following year...........

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Should we still keep ranking points even if you lose by walkover?

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