Tennis Masters Cup Discussion Thread

[Sherlock 117]

I absolutely hate playing someone who uses a lot of topspin, just to name a few:
retos11, Mack2300, DARKSTYLE86, Sherlock 117 and Anteros15.
I should be the one who dictates the rallies!

Glad to see someone finds playing me a little difficult lol. I'm surprised to even be mentioned in the same sentence as the other guys. Maybe I just got a little lucky the one time I played you Picachu for you to put me in that list. We'll have to play some more and then hopefully your opinion of my game won't change

I'd love some serve training too. I've tried lots of different timing combinations, but I just can't seem to put my serves close to the line even with 80 on my serve. If I could just learn to do that I think I could drop my serve down to like 50 or 60 and use those points on speed, stamina, return, and volley instead.

[Rob ITST]

Well Sherlock, I think I've told you all the things I know that helped me with my serve. I have a few techniques that help make the motion smooth and quick, but the aiming takes a lot of practice.

More than anything else, it just takes a commitment to using the stick. I NEVER use the buttons anymore, and my serve gets better all the time. The hardest part is that every serve is different. Slice, kick, and flat all have different timings on when you swing, and they all aim differently. The only thing you can really do is to just hit a lot of them and develop a feel for it.

[picachu211]

No disrespect to other players, what I meant is that I simply hate playing these guys, game-wise, not that I can't beat them though.
In the meantime, the reason I did not put you in the list is not because I have already beaten you.
Does this make sense to you?

[Mack2300]

Well Sherlock, I think I've told you all the things I know that helped me with my serve. I have a few techniques that help make the motion smooth and quick, but the aiming takes a lot of practice.

More than anything else, it just takes a commitment to using the stick. I NEVER use the buttons anymore, and my serve gets better all the time. The hardest part is that every serve is different. Slice, kick, and flat all have different timings on when you swing, and they all aim differently. The only thing you can really do is to just hit a lot of them and develop a feel for it.

How do you get speed with the stick serve? When I use the buttons at least I can average at 125mph but when I try with the stick I can only hit at around 110mph

[djarvik]

No disrespect to other players, what I meant is that I simply hate playing these guys, game-wise, not that I can't beat them though.
In the meantime, the reason I did not put you in the list is not because I have already beaten you.
Does this make sense to you?

I didn't even expected to be on anyone list at this point. That was sarcasm. I will get on your list when I will play good enough

[Rob ITST]

How do you get speed with the stick serve? When I use the buttons at least I can average at 125mph but when I try with the stick I can only hit at around 110mph

You have to move the stick pretty quick, time it right, and make sure you move straight up (for flat serves).

I think I hit about 131 with the buttons, and usually hit 135-136 with the stick. My max with the stick is about 142.

[Mack2300]

How do you get speed with the stick serve? When I use the buttons at least I can average at 125mph but when I try with the stick I can only hit at around 110mph

You have to move the stick pretty quick, time it right, and make sure you move straight up (for flat serves).

I think I hit about 131 with the buttons, and usually hit 135-136 with the stick. My max with the stick is about 142.

Thanks. I guess what service animation you use makes a differance too.

[Rob ITST]

The animation changes the timing, and so does holding RB. If I don't serve and volley, I can't serve as well. Part of that because the timing changes, and part of it is because I have to hold the controller differently. Having my finger on RB puts my hand in the position I'm used to. If I don't hold it, it feels weird for me.

So maybe it could help to hold one or both of the triggers (or not hold them, if you usually do). The triggers don't affect the stick serves, so just find what feels best to you.

[AMAZING ZIZOU]

I am pretty sure everyone in this thread have understood the timming of hitting the ball.
The persons who still have difficulty with serving have to think of WHEN exactly do they want to pull the direction with the left stick.
There is at least 3 differents ways. I kow that cause i watch live some of my friends play (amazing romich, mazing matheja, amazing nohar and tomiltom) and almost none of us has the same technic.
Either you decide to put the direction of the ball when the players just starts to throw his ball
Either you decide to do just before the ball is hit with the racket
Either you do it meanwhile (in the middle of both animation throwing the ball and hitting it, ? ? , does that sound clear?? ). I personnaly don't understand how he does this one )

I pull the direction before my racket hit the ball. i start to move the stick towards the area i'm aiming WHEN THE ARM OF THE PLAYER IS 90° (perpendicular) from his body and stop it just before the ball arrives at its top and is hit by the racket.(so when i release the serve button)

In general, the longer you let the direction on your left stick the closer to the line the ball will be. Not long enough, it ends up in the middle, too long, it goes out, but that, i guess we all know, right?

One more thing the timing of the direction is different when you erve down the T or wide. It also changes when your heart beat goes crazy boum boum. it changes in the way that the widow of the perfect hitting point is less wide, you have to time it perfectly. But serving great serves when the heart is pumping hard is very possible.


I hope this is not too confused and it helps a bit. My poor vocabulary don't allow me to describe as well i would

[Sherlock 117]

That's probably my problem. I generally have one direction timing for all serves. I push the direction just after my player tosses the ball and hold it during the whole serve. Are you saying that releasing the direction at different times makes a difference as well then?

[ANILTJE]

All animations have a different timing

[djarvik]

This really has to be discussed with animation noted. As ANILTJE said, each animation has its own timing. So it is impossible to explain "how to" without knowing which animation is used.

OK, I'll start:

Federer animation.

Stick serves, anyone can tell me the timing for stick serves?

Thanks!

[Y Enzo Y]

I am pretty sure everyone in this thread have understood the timming of hitting the ball.
The persons who still have difficulty with serving have to think of WHEN exactly do they want to pull the direction with the left stick.
There is at least 3 differents ways. I kow that cause i watch live some of my friends play (amazing romich, mazing matheja, amazing nohar and tomiltom) and almost none of us has the same technic.
Either you decide to put the direction of the ball when the players just starts to throw his ball
Either you decide to do just before the ball is hit with the racket
Either you do it meanwhile (in the middle of both animation throwing the ball and hitting it, ? ? , does that sound clear?? ). I personnaly don't understand how he does this one )

I pull the direction before my racket hit the ball. i start to move the stick towards the area i'm aiming WHEN THE ARM OF THE PLAYER IS 90° (perpendicular) from his body and stop it just before the ball arrives at its top and is hit by the racket.(so when i release the serve button)

In general, the longer you let the direction on your left stick the closer to the line the ball will be. Not long enough, it ends up in the middle, too long, it goes out, but that, i guess we all know, right?

One more thing the timing of the direction is different when you erve down the T or wide. It also changes when your heart beat goes crazy boum boum. it changes in the way that the widow of the perfect hitting point is less wide, you have to time it perfectly. But serving great serves when the heart is pumping hard is very possible.


I hope this is not too confused and it helps a bit. My poor vocabulary don't allow me to describe as well i would

Most of the time i seem to Double fault when my player is very tired = or is that just me

[Rob ITST]

According to the instructions in TopSpin School, the sooner you press the direction, the closer to the lines you can hit. Then it's just a matter of learning how long to hold it.

As far as the animation, generally the faster the animation, the more sensitive the aiming is.

[djarvik]

According to the instructions in TopSpin School, the sooner you press the direction, the closer to the lines you can hit. Then it's just a matter of learning how long to hold it.

As far as the animation, generally the faster the animation, the more sensitive the aiming is.

Define "sooner"?
at the same time as you pull the stick?