Losing the motivation....

[ANILTJE]

Ts3 and Ts2 have had huge problems .

Both games are so awkward in many ways. They both needed huge tweaking for the games to be "fun".

I think you might have forgotten about all of that.

In TS2 I just risked away but it really had nothing to do with tennis . It was just gaming . For e a tennis game becomes fun when it's close to tennis really.

[djarvik]

Me and Anil been discussing "whats wrong with TS3" for a year now, on a daily basis.

There are a LOT of things (if you even try to compare with real tennis)

I will throw another thing out there - LB. Designed totally wrong and almost completely takes away the need for stamina.

What about these "one foot skipping RB" shots I mean common! It looks like a game of Grass tennis from 120 years ago where woman were playing in a long white dresses, skipping on one foot as they hit.

What about down the line shots and their 99% success rate?! ...What??? Anyone who even tried to play tennis once, I mean once - should know, it is one of the hardest things to do....to change a direction of a ball that has a decent pace cross to down the line

I mean the list is LONG.....lots of things are wrong....

....but at the same time, if you TRY to play tennis-like - you can, to a degree replicate "tennis". But in order to have a desire to do this in a first place, you have to actually like tennis, I mean the sport....not the idea of Tennis.

I have said this a million times, the fun is absolutely gone if all you do is execute 3 plays that are meant to score you points and nothing else.

I try and never repeat a play in the same service games, its boring to do same thing over and over.

I love Pica's game for that exact reason. He wins not only because of great timing, but also because he is not afraid to try things and let the game "flow", instead of forcing on opponent same "working" strategy of Wide Serve - shot to the opposite corner.

If you want to win in TS3, you need to practice 3 plays, that's all.

If you want to have fun - you need to do more then that.


BTW - To Anil's point. Everyone should try and play DMT. This is as real of the tennis game you can find now minus the graphics. Try and hit the ball down the line.....see what happens


BTW#2 - I am thrilled to see so many of you enjoy playing me, really flattered

[GOA MASTER MDMA]

Ts3 and Ts2 have had huge problems .

Both games are so awkward in many ways. They both needed huge tweaking for the games to be "fun".

I think you might have forgotten about all of that.

yes totally true- TS2 is far away to beeing perfect -and yes TS3 is much more real tennis than TS2 .
i don´t know why TS2 makes more fun to play than ts3 i can´t explain it well . there is a huge difference in fun factor between both games .
sure i also will not restart playing daily TS2 as professional( i played the game 2 full years ,nearly every day ) .
i will only say with the rules we had (stopp by missed rt -no empty LT shots ,no permanently wide serve ) it was awesome fun to play ts2 .more than ts3

today ,TS 2 is a dead game-no doubt about
^mean ts3 is a big step forward in realismus ,but it have too much ingame mistakes ,that makes it boring after a time .
i need a new topspin -tennisgame at all ,to got my motivation back

[DRII]

It's a moot point; there is no way to tell if somebody is using RT/LT shots and it is ridiculous to expect people to comply with some 'honor system'. There's nothing wrong with risk shots, it's only natural that somebody/many people would practice them to the point where they are going to go in 90% of the time...this is a video game

There may be nothing wrong with risk shots, but there is something wrong with a game that allows a player to get 90% of risk shots in. By definition 90% is not risky! Simply put TS3 should not allow this to happen.

Now the game is the same for everyone, so if you can do risk shots and get 90% of them in, more power to you (I wish I could!). But it does make the game not quite as fun...

I'm pretty new to ITST, but I thought one of the reasons for ITST was to make for a more realistic and challenging tennis experience.

[ANILTJE]

It is for sure more realistic here then on the world tour 100%

[SoundfSilence]

Hi DRII

I understand your views, here are my thoughts though:

There may be nothing wrong with risk shots, but there is something wrong with a game that allows a player to get 90% of risk shots in. By definition 90% is not risky! Simply put TS3 should not allow this to happen.

There are many things wrong with TS3 the game, but in my view risk shots' one of the things they did quite well.

Players who hit 90% risk shots in (L2+R2) have excellent timing, but more importantly, they know when to risk. I do not anyone who can risk L2+R2 on everyshot to 90% success rate.

Now the game is the same for everyone, so if you can do risk shots and get 90% of them in, more power to you (I wish I could!). But it does make the game not quite as fun...

Risking is part of the fun for me, especially in Sim. You have to risk, take chances when it appears, you don't win easy points. Obviously if you play someone who risk all the time and they go out, then it's not fun.. For the guys who hit risk winners against you, well, I say you give them the opportunities to hit those..

I'm pretty new to ITST, but I thought one of the reasons for ITST was to make for a more realistic and challenging tennis experience.

Sim tour is about as realistic as it can be with minimal and basic rules. It's not perfect, but it's pretty good. What do you think could help make the experience better, any suggestions?

[SoundfSilence]

I will throw another thing out there - LB. Designed totally wrong and almost completely takes away the need for stamina.

LB (or L1 on PS3), does drain your stamina though. I know what you mean, players can still move fast with it although on low stamina.

What about these "one foot skipping RB" shots I mean common! It looks like a game of Grass tennis from 120 years ago where woman were playing in a long white dresses, skipping on one foot as they hit.

This shot still happens though (if I'm thinking of the same shot you mean), and I think it's good that you have that option to use it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq1V6a0OONw (Watch from 0.17 and from 1.13)
My problem though is why does RB (R1) just doesn't react sometimes!

What about down the line shots and their 99% success rate?! ...What??? Anyone who even tried to play tennis once, I mean once - should know, it is one of the hardest things to do....to change a direction of a ball that has a decent pace cross to down the line

I do find down the line shot is harder in TS3 (but may be just me), but yeah it's not significantly as hard as it is in real life.

I mean the list is LONG.....lots of things are wrong....

I'd be interested to see your full comprehensive list

I have said this a million times, the fun is absolutely gone if all you do is execute 3 plays that are meant to score you points and nothing else.

Totally agree.

[djarvik]

Look at the video again Sound, note where is the player at the time of that shot and what he does next.

...it's one thing to hit the shot with RB (R1) in mid court and continue to the net...as that is exactly what happens after your body weight pushes you forward...but is is completely another to hit it on a dead run behind the baseline and stay there. It is in game poor programing, that lets you hold LB, run all the way to the opposite corner, then quickly press RB and "jump on that shot, then press LB again and "snap" back to middle of the court behind the baseline. common! Where is the "momentum", "inertia", "weight"?

So No, this is a definite mistake.

As for LB draining stamina is correct....but why are you able to use LB with flashing red stamina?

Shots down the line is not harder then cross. They are absolutely the same as far as execution. They really shouldn't. It is even not physically possible to hit down the line if you release the button early, while the ball is in front of you....so what does TS3 do when you release early? .....it waits and then swings when the ball reaches the right position. What happen to me releasing the button early??? wasn't it an Error? No? Why take control away from me and "complete" the shot for me?

I won't give you the whole list, but here is another thing:

Risk shots. Why is AI completing my risk shots if I simply release the button on time as far as he ball bounce but I am still relatively far from the ball? Wasn't the swing supposed to be executed upon release of the button? Why complete the motion?

If you have MSN Sound, I rather explain you the rest of the things there
Don't want to turn people of TS3 - it is the greatest game we have on console so far.

[Cro Morgan]

I know you have a MAC so it's time to run http://www.virtualbox.org/

and download a windows DVD and install DMT

I finally own a Mac that isn't powered by a squirrel on a treadmill, so I'm thinking, maybe I'll give DMT a twirl. This virtualbox.org, is this all I need to run a PC program on a Mac?

Is there a free demo version of DMT to be had - just to try it first?

[ANILTJE]

For the virtual box you need a windows XP . Or 7 or whatever. You know where to get them lol.

The demo of DMT is for free. You can play online etc etc.

Do you have an Intel Mac? Or just a better one compared to what you had?

[ANILTJE]

Follow this dude : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4g_oSsIAwHk

[Cro Morgan]

I have an Intel Mac - no Windows.

[ANILTJE]

That's perfect. Cause the Virtual Box is made for the intel Macs with OS X

[ANILTJE]

If you need any help . You have me on MSN and I can confirm some things you see on the video.

But you first need to download a windows from you know where

[ANILTJE]

Boot camp is also handy. Cause it uses the specs of your Mac

Here is another tutorial for that : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlxC0KKtkhI