Short Slice On Sim Tour

[djarvik]

I do not like the shot as well. The only time i ever do it now, is if someone does it to me then i take revenge

Same here !!
But i go crazy when my opponent is just better at it

This shot cannot definately be banned. It would be ridiculous but we all know IT IS THE ultimate weapon.
The best players use it always at the right time and get the point....always

That is what makes them the best! ...does it?


BTW - I never use short slices and I never really have trouble passing people at the net. Rob and Zizou can attest to that. There are plenty of ways to pass....resorting to short slice pass still makes it cheap for me, a "lazy mans pass".

I don't think we can ban the shot as there is simply no way to tell for sure when it is executed.

As long as it is deemed by the community as "dirty" I am cool with that. Just lets not make excuses, short slice users use it not because it is a realistic Federesque shot, but only because it yields great results, only because it is over-effective and reward is much greater then the risk.

Want to have a better match record? ....learn short risk slice.

[Moralspain]

I use rt+x, and it´s completely fair to me. You should have the chance to bring your opponent to the net, mix up your game, don´t just hit powerful risk shots, that´s unrealistic.

[emate007]

If you're getting beat by short slice over and over, you're standing too far back??

GO TO THE NET MORE OFTEN IF THE GUY IS WINNING WITH THE SAME SHOT OVER AND OVER.

[kyuuji]

Well I say no :s
Sorry but for me it's a drop shot.
If it's ban' I will have to change that "Drop Shot"

[djarvik]

The discussion is purely about risk short slices. I use plenty of regular, LT, RT and RT+LT slices ...but not short. Xavi - you don't use these at all...I haven't seen one from you...so it is safe to say you don't know it exists

Emate, you right. Getting to the net works. Trouble is, that short slice is usually comes at the time when getting to net is not possible....like after a well placed 90 serve. ...or in the middle of baseline exchange instead of a drop shot (it is waaaay easier to pull of then a drop shot).

This shot doesn't cause (rarely) a direct winner, it usually cause the reply to be very weak and the next shot puts the point away.

I say use a drop shot in baseline exchanges. Don't short slice immediately following the serve. lame.

[djarvik]

Well I say no :s
Sorry but for me it's a drop shot.
If it's ban' I will have to change that "Drop Shot"

Exactly!

Grow a pair of nice shiny ones and use the actual drop shot. ...its in the game, did you know? ....you right thou, it is much easier to pull of a short risk slice that bounces once and gets glued to the court while traveling just as fast as regular shot.

[Rob ITST]

I say use a drop shot in baseline exchanges. Don't short slice immediately following the serve. lame.

Is it safe to say that most people feel it's cheesy after the serve, but not so bad during a rally?

[djarvik]

I say use a drop shot in baseline exchanges. Don't short slice immediately following the serve. lame.

Is it safe to say that most people feel it's cheesy after the serve, but not so bad during a rally?

I agree. After serve it is definitely Cheesy. Mid rally just Cheap....cheap way to generate points. But like Emate said couterable by going to the net. Trouble is not all of us want to play net game.

[Rob ITST]

Trouble is not all of us want to play net game.

With the complaints about stacked players, it seems that forcing people to play the net (and therefore, forcing them to put points on volley) isn't such a bad thing.

That's not relevant to the serve/slice issue though.

[coke4]

I agree. After serve it is definitely Cheesy. Mid rally just Cheap....cheap way to generate points. But like Emate said couterable by going to the net. Trouble is not all of us want to play net game.

My problem is that wen i play against one of these my player can 80% of tim not get to the short slice, even with my 88 sp 66 st and im standing on the baseline, cant get to it, 15% of the time i get it but can do nothing with it, hit error or floaty ball and player misses point, 5% i would get it back ok and might win the point.

Plus the success rate of the short slice is like 9 or 9.5 out of ten

btw the gut i played served and short slice quite a lot.

[djarvik]

Trouble is not all of us want to play net game.

With the complaints about stacked players, it seems that forcing people to play the net (and therefore, forcing them to put points on volley) isn't such a bad thing.

That's not relevant to the serve/slice issue though.

You do know that is not going to happen? ...and this will minimize, not eliminate the effect on short risk slice.

I mean you right, we have to live with that shot, all I am asking is not to make it into something it is not: "poor man's Drop shot", "passing shot", "Fed like slice" etc....

[djarvik]

I agree. After serve it is definitely Cheesy. Mid rally just Cheap....cheap way to generate points. But like Emate said couterable by going to the net. Trouble is not all of us want to play net game.

My problem is that wen i play against one of these my player can 80% of tim not get to the short slice, even with my 88 sp 66 st and im standing on the baseline, cant get to it, 15% of the time i get it but can do nothing with it, hit error or floaty ball and player misses point, 5% i would get it back ok and might win the point.

Plus the success rate of the short slice is like 9 or 9.5 out of ten

btw the gut i played served and short slice quite a lot.

If practiced and executed correctly, the chance of staying in the point while being at baseline is very little. You either don't get there or give a pop-up-put-away shot.

[Fredz_x]

Trouble is not all of us want to play net game.

With the complaints about stacked players, it seems that forcing people to play the net (and therefore, forcing them to put points on volley) isn't such a bad thing.

That's not relevant to the serve/slice issue though.

You do know that is not going to happen? ...and this will minimize, not eliminate the effect on short risk slice.

I mean you right, we have to live with that shot, all I am asking is not to make it into something it is not: "poor man's Drop shot", "passing shot", "Fed like slice" etc....

People should learn to play at the net it is very very easy honestly, and it will add more variety to the tour

[DarkPaladin87]

When i get a short slice ball i always chip and charge. That's a tactic that works best for me.

[djarvik]

People should learn to play at the net it is very very easy honestly, and it will add more variety to the tour

You are absolutely right. But after a year and a half of the tour life....it is not going to happen. It is actually got much batter then before, I see more points at the net...but I thin this is as far as it will go. Part of it has to do a lot with kids nowadays trying to emulate pros.