Top Spin 3 Rule Change - Character Attributes

[s o l i d N i c]

I agree that power tennis is part of today's game but in my opinion - tennis feels more natural being a thinking match (and is more exciting that way) rather than a muscle match.

There's no denying power helps a lot but after playing many short rallies - it's starting to feel like a baseball match or a day on the driving range.

I had some reservations about limiting the skills but I think this will challenge us to become better at this game and start off on a more level playing field. You can still hit power shots with the 90-40 rule...u just have to be in good position and have good timing.

As mentioned, its' difficult to please everyone but I've been with the ITST for a while now - they know what they're doing here and I trust and support the decision to apply the 40-90 rule.

[Pogagna]

l2+r2 slicing, awfully effective and even more awfully easy. a rule change of this kind implies that fair play should be even more important, and i hope it will be

Do you mean the serves?

nup, i mean during regular rallies: plain r2+l2 with square button (well, slice button, dunno what's in 360). the more time passes, the more i see guys using it, in some cases very irritatingly in some occasions it can be quite bitchy, because is absurdly effective and 10 times easier than other risks (including in returns) i can bitch pretty good with that, too it's not a problem today, because noone still abuses it, but i guess it will become the next big issue that many players will have to face and, above all, the next weapon of cheesy guys

[temporary369]

This seems kind of pointless lol. Not much difference in the style of play between 90 and 100 but whatever makes this feel fair. First strike tennis gets dull after the first return game.

[s o l i d N i c]

This seems kind of pointless lol. Not much difference in the style of play between 90 and 100 but whatever makes this feel fair. First strike tennis gets dull after the first return game.

I was thinking that it may be pointless...but from trying the set-up - it did feel a little slower and you have to be patient during matches as most rallies are longer than 3 or 4 hits (which I enjoy than many short points).

Have u tried the set-up yet and it didn't make a difference to you?

[temporary369]

I've never used an unrealistic set up as I do not get any enjoyment out of playing like that. Afterall, this is a game and there is no point in playing if not for fun. I have played many people with many set ups and I can say that if you have high ratings in power forehand backhand and serve and you are fairly good at the mechanics of Top Spin then it is very much first strike tennis unless you stoop to risk returning. It's ok though, we're all going to adjust and grow in different ways, some will time their returns better or place them more intelligently, etc etc. It's a nice thought and a good effort to address some of the problems many are having. Baby steps.

[picachu211]

It is all about the basics: movement, anticipation and timing.
The new rules make sure we actually would have fun playing it.
If you like a complete-length match to finish in 5-10 minutes, the world tour is always there for you.

[SamL64]

Just curious and in case this has been discussed allready , sorry.. but wouldn it have been enough to simply limit the max skillpoints to 90? Atleast for now. INcase it turns out that that s not enough you can allways add the 40min later

not that i m a fan of the crazy 4x100 30stam (crazy) setups, havnt even tried it yet. But this game is new and SO DAMN HARD to learn , atleast for me lol.. things may look different in a couple of months..

[Rob ITST]

l2+r2 slicing, awfully effective and even more awfully easy. a rule change of this kind implies that fair play should be even more important, and i hope it will be

Do you mean the serves?

nup, i mean during regular rallies: plain r2+l2 with square button (well, slice button, dunno what's in 360). the more time passes, the more i see guys using it, in some cases very irritatingly in some occasions it can be quite bitchy, because is absurdly effective and 10 times easier than other risks (including in returns) i can bitch pretty good with that, too it's not a problem today, because noone still abuses it, but i guess it will become the next big issue that many players will have to face and, above all, the next weapon of cheesy guys

I kind of like that the risk slice isn't too hard to hit. It's really the only way to play defense. I did find it very effective at first, but now people can really attack it. It's the easiest risk shot, but also easy to hit risk against.

You don't see people hitting a lot of winners with it, except when it's used as a return of serve from 5 feet inside the baseline, which I think almost everyone agrees is cheesy.

[Squilari]

lt+rt+slice should be forbidden as return services whatever inside or outside the court....in a rally they are ok , it is a vital part of defensive players.

[s o l i d N i c]

lt+rt+slice should be forbidden as return services whatever inside or outside the court....in a rally they are ok , it is a vital part of defensive players.

i played a couple of guys onlive and they use the slice return from inside the baseline. As effective as it was, I don't think I would personally use the shot because it feels cheap/cheesy.

here i thought i was being whiny by pointing out that slice returns are cheesy but i'm glad others share the same sentiment.

[Pogagna]

l2+r2 slicing, awfully effective and even more awfully easy. a rule change of this kind implies that fair play should be even more important, and i hope it will be

Do you mean the serves?

nup, i mean during regular rallies: plain r2+l2 with square button (well, slice button, dunno what's in 360). the more time passes, the more i see guys using it, in some cases very irritatingly in some occasions it can be quite bitchy, because is absurdly effective and 10 times easier than other risks (including in returns) i can bitch pretty good with that, too it's not a problem today, because noone still abuses it, but i guess it will become the next big issue that many players will have to face and, above all, the next weapon of cheesy guys

I kind of like that the risk slice isn't too hard to hit. It's really the only way to play defense. I did find it very effective at first, but now people can really attack it. It's the easiest risk shot, but also easy to hit risk against.

You don't see people hitting a lot of winners with it, except when it's used as a return of serve from 5 feet inside the baseline, which I think almost everyone agrees is cheesy.

i dunno rob...maybe u're right...but frankly, when i bitch good with rt+lt+slice my opponent freaks out, always. i never met a bitcher like me, so effectively i cannot really say...
of course i never tried in itst, and i know in world tour many opponents r not so awesome. but take 4 example down+right/left double trigger slice...if you're running like a dumbass while your opponent is raping you from left to right, it's not difficult to slice up a down+left/right lt+rt slice, that substantially make your opponent run at the service line, outstide the field. if hit well, this slice is waaaay lower than a normal slice (that is totally unuseful, as u may know, 'cause u can attack it easily) and cannot be so easily attacked basically cause your guy takes ages to come into position. on 10 times, let's say that 3 my opponents kills the ball on the net, 3 barely send the ball in my half field leaving his side open for an easy winner, 2 do a counter-risk slice (the most effective way to manage it) and 2 comes with right timing on the ball and rape me down the line (eventually he'll ghot the point or be counter raped by another risk-slice, it depends). hey, i'm not saying "ban it" i'm just saying that, for its "effectiveness" is a bit too easy, so let's say that it's one of those things that players should not abuse. sure a good slice is the best way to defend, also in real tennis...but ya know, slices in real tennis does not go where lt+rt slices go, and above all not so fast, not even nearly

[Rob ITST]

lt+rt+slice should be forbidden as return services whatever inside or outside the court....in a rally they are ok , it is a vital part of defensive players.

i played a couple of guys onlive and they use the slice return from inside the baseline. As effective as it was, I don't think I would personally use the shot because it feels cheap/cheesy.

here i thought i was being whiny by pointing out that slice returns are cheesy but i'm glad others share the same sentiment.

I've seen guys use it from as close to the service line as it will allow you to return serves from. It is almost past you by the time you finish your service motion.

It's just so unrealistic to return a 130mph serve from that close.

[TheTriFecta625]

I dont know if this has already been discussed or not (sorry if it has) but what if we go into a match with someone who does not follow these rules (has more than 90/less than 40)????, since we can see their stats before entering the match.

Also, I'm in full support of this rule. This is a game, and they can never be made 100% life-like because it is not real life tennis. As in any game TS1, TS2, there were eventually rules that needed to be put in place to keep the game fun for everyone. I have had a realistic set-up for my player since day 1 (Anj can voche for that, or anyone that I've played). This rule will only benefit and make our matches more fun, and realistic. It will be about thinking ahead and becoming a rounded player to put good points and rallys together, instead of points consisting of...service and then a smashing forehand return that ends the point....Thank you to everyone who helped get this rule put in place!!!!!

[Rob ITST]

One thing worth pointing out. After the US Open starts, you will still be able to use any setup for the tounaments which started before the US Open.

In other words, the 40/90 rule applies to the US Open and all future tournaments, but not tournaments already in progress.

[india-skro]

hello guys,

i just want to know why u people don't wanna play with pro-players like federer and all?

i actually don't understand why we have to play with created players? i don't understand this rule as we can check everyone's skill using real players.

anyway i really like this game and i think that playing with a real player is better than playing with a created player who has been created in 5-10 minutes ...